David Senra calls in live: intuition beats intelligence, vibe coding is just taste, and Ramp is becoming a status symbol

like the eror out of these go with theor out of just adding adding something adding something wild to the collection yeah for sure uh so lots of inspiration there it looks like it looks like an Nvidia chip it does yeah ir's got some crazy crazy stuff uh there's also uh the Hamilton uh did a collaboration with Dune that looks really cool they made a watch that was featured in the movie and you can buy it and it's not like thousands of dollars works are crazy doesn't needs to do a collaboration with Nvidia ASAP anyway on to the timeline uh we got a video that we're going to try and play Gavin Baker shares this he says it's wild today I was sent the following cool demo two AI agents have a phone call they realize they're both Ai and they switch to a superior audio signal GG wave uh can we pull this up Connor it's pretty crazy these two AI agents they're both in voice mode and if you haven't heard this before yeah can we play this hi there I'm an start talking in English and they switch to forel computer speak Bas your AV fors bot and I saw oh hello there I saw a demo of this a long time ago where people figured out that you could something understandable to a machine in like this this like scrambled thing so you could play it over an over like an audio hear you'll hear it now pretty crazy there we go yeah so the wild thing is is I think we're good on this the issue is that you could basically encrypt you could just get infinitely more and more and more complicated so that machines would be able to talk in front of humans and even if you had some type of machine human language translator it could just perpetually get more and more complicated so what uh the attack that I saw was from a years a couple years ago you'd play like a YouTube video and it would sound just like scrambled but it' be like okay Google and you wouldn't even be able to hear the Okay Google but it would trigger your Google home to do something so you could so you could be hearing in the background of a podcast some sort of like low signal that would say basically like okay Google go to tbn.

com and then it would load that and then it would inject something and potentially like hack your home device that was like the theory uh and it could and it would be you the human would not be able to detect what the command was being given to the AI which is very cool uh very hcll in the chat says they banned droids from the bar in Star Wars so maybe we're gonna have to start doing that hey is that true in Star Wars lore I have no idea I think uh what's that iconic scene in Thea yeah the Cana oh yeah there are no oh yeah that's right there's no droids they can't go in that's hilarious it's all like thei that's hilarious I love it okay uh well let's move on to Gary tan Gary says uh intelligence is now on tap so agency is even more important and there's a quote here that says capitalism rewards agency far more than it does intelligence this is the dude wipe story there's a lot of guys that are you know have the most sophisticated strategy craziest you know uh future forward idea and yet dude wipes is doing 200 million a year selling wipes for dudes it's pretty crazy people don't want to be coddled says Riley the founder of dude wipes the butt wipe brand as you put it uh we know that it's a sticky new habit once people try it because it's cleaner better alternative uh they're now doing 200 million and the products are on shelves in Walmart Target and Kroger yeah but I me going so going back to Gary's Point everybody has near infinite access to free intelligence and so the um the resource that is still in short supply is is agency because these these uh you know Bots llms don't have the ability to they have the ability to to think and reason but not the ability to aggressively act on their goals and so golden uh golden years for high agency humans totally every single person that listens to this show is high agency otherwise they wouldn't be I mean you talk to random people and they're like oh yeah I got to check out that AI thing I'm like what are you talking about like like everyone should be using AI in their job to augment themselves right now at this point you would have had to actively choose not to use it people are just like iar I already know how to do my job the way I do it and I and I use spell check I don't use llms to help me write my yeah research reports you know and I'll have to really force it on people sometimes I'll be like you have a research report due like you need to use deep research like go start there like you can't just turn that in there's going to be a lot of things but like at least for pulling a bunch of sources like would you do your research report without Google like no like you have to use these things and so yeah agency is super important we're seeing that with uh pmf or die it's a great example of you know just being aggressive and and and high agency uh the guys are certainly intelligent but they are go-getters and that's what really separates them so been enjoying watching that uh let's move on to Carter donic he says an actor having such athlete coded mentality and not being afraid to Showcase It Rock so much Timmy has been on a generational run this is of course timotay shalam at the uh sag Wars can we play this I don't think we're gonna be able to we won't be able to hear it no was it a oh was this anyways we don't have it pulled up but if you haven't seen this go watch it I was sleeping uh because I'm uh I'm you know John and I we we'll announce it soon but we're going to have a we're GNA open a beding market on on our eight S yes um but um uh no I W I watched this 30 second recap and and he basically has a uh he basically go goes on to say that I am you know you know a lot of people would come up here and be humble and you know like that but I am going um you know 110% on this I want to be one of the greatest actors in history and I don't I'm not you know afraid to say that basically and I think that's what more actors should do instead of going up there and saying oh yeah thank you blah blah blah it's like thank your people and your team and the people that are helping you do what you do but then also take a little bit of credit let me play this would be to downplay I'll just play it here the effort that went into this role good and how much this means to me but the truth is this was five and a half years of my life I poured everything I I had into playing this incomparable artist Mr Bob Dylan and I know we're in a subjective business but the truth is I'm really in pursuit of greatness I know people don't usually talk like that but I want to be one of the greats I'm inspired by the greats I'm inspired by the greats here tonight I'm asp inspired by Daniel de Lewis Marlon Brando and Viola Davis As I Am by Michael Jordan Michael Phelps and I want to be up there so I'm deeply grateful to that this this doesn't signify that but it's a little more fuel it's a little more ammo to keep going thank you so much I and of course yes thank you X for immediately playing another video no so so you know that David senra that made David senra want to run through a wall because he has given it it's almost like him and SRA talked because SRA will give that has given me that speech I'm sure he's given that to you being like no nobody else is like take nobody else takes this as seriously as I do I I I I want to be one the great I want to be one of the greats I I I spend every every hour of the day thinking about podcasting and telling the stories of History's Greatest entrepreneurs no so publicly and and when I first listened to that I was kind of like oh like where's he going with this like the beginning's like kind of rough he's like kind of just like you know throwing this down but he really lands the plane I think and and gets to a really really inspiring Place yeah anyway let's move on to Signal posting a picture from LinkedIn Ryan Prescott says I'll pay someone 10K if they can find me a software developer role paying 122k plus signal says I've never seen anything like this before this takes open to work to an entirely new level it's actually so smart I mean it's it's it's the open if he did this without the open to work you know graphic on on his profile it would be legendary I think it comes off as a slightly desperate with the open to work thing but trying to find it trying to find a job I respect it and uh I think it's smart to flip it on its head and say you help me find a job I'll give you my first month salary basically that's all he's saying and so I wouldn't be surprised if somebody sees this and builds a product around 400,000 people saw this post I wonder if he'll find something no this is an obvious product within Tech basically saying know if you work at a Facebook there's going to be people that met somebody at meta is going to see this and be like hey I think Ryan would be a fit for you know this job we have and like you know help them help make sure their resume was was looked at you know there there might be some certainly companies might take issue with their employees getting paid out on the side to help people get in but at the same time they also offer incentives I mean a lot of yeah a lot of companies have uh internal rewards for recruitment it happens all the time uh where if there's a bounty for getting someone in the organization uh yeah it would be interesting if it's like basically a decentralized recruiting fee or recruiting platform where anyone can do the recruiting as long as they place the right person the right thing uh also hopefully I mean with AI and stuff there's new platforms new matching algorithms you would hope that LinkedIn would be able to do this because they have all the people and all the companies but uh clearly they're not helping him get a job um but you know at least the guy is willing to put himself out there and there's a uh you know there's that chart of like you know uh the the the path to Greatness is is p there's like this Valley of like being cringe or like putting yourself out there or taking risk Valley of cringe at least this guy is willing to to say this so good luck to you Ryan I hope you land something quickly and if you're in the audience and you're looking for a webd Dev or you're um you know know someone who's hiring why not try and go help this guy out that' be cool we'd like to see that uh let's move on to other real the real if you're if you really got that hustle mindset you'll say hey if I hire you for 120k will you give me the 10K he says sure you give him an offer first day you the 10K fired welcome welcome to the welcome to the Welcome to the Real World buddy do not do that what would your mother say do not do that that is not that is not uh upstanding thing to do we don't endorse that we don't endorse that but he's got to he's got to be he's got to learn the less he's got to be aware of that there's going to be a lot of people out there that just get dollar signs in their eyes it's like all right I'm going to pay him 200k sorry for his first day but I'm going to get I'm going to get 10K out that's a good trade good trade yeah yeah it's like wait why is Jane Street trying to hire me it's like oh they just love making good trades it's great well uh you know if he if he doesn't find a job there's other ways to make money Barry here strawberry says the easiest ways to make money gives a list men's lust women's desire for beauty elderly's Health children's education rich people's fear of loss brokies desire to get rich quickly clearly resonated million views 33 likes 33k likes uh what do you think you like this this uh there's a guy in seoa right that says that uh he he loves when a company maps to one of the seven deadly sins which is like kind of dark but also makes sense where you know you look at why why do you invest in Instagram well it it it's it it's driven by Envy right it's like an Envy as a service platform in some ways uh even something like a trading app platform could be seen as like greed you know it like plays into that natural belief or natural like human impulse um but what what do you think of these which one would you want to be in I mean children's education seems pretty valuable yeah that's a cool one although the issue is there's so many in children's education there's so many people that love teaching children that it's a kind of a hard place to actually make good margin right like if you wanted to start a new school there's going to be a nice competitor that is happy to make you know 5% e margins because they just like having a school but um no go going off of this list I mean obviously you know referencing that that other post by the guy saying that you have to be you know greedy monopolistic all this stuff it's very dark I mean there's just so many ways to make money I think my favorite my prompt when I when I'm talking to people that want to get into business but they're like I feel like all the good ideas are taken like the sort of the classic line yep uh every time you spend money just think about who's who's making money on the other side of yeah and um all of all of business are you fully satisfied yeah and then the the main thing that people like the fundamental truth to understand about business you had a funny one from the other week that's slightly different but um you just need to get a product or a service at one price and sell it for a higher price yeah and make sure that your operating expenses are yeah you know uh lower than than the difference and and you will um you'll do great so so so you think uh good way to find startup ideas is to kind of like track your finances see see where you're spending money I mean that's an obvious one but um and do you know the best way to track your finances uh I do our sponsor ramp time is money save both easy to use corporate cards bill payments accounting and a whole lot more all in one place and we got a post from none other than saquan Barkley first time on the show he's getting a reply with a video today saquan Barkley writes thrilled to be a part of the journey at ramp and ready to take this company to the next level and he shares the video uh already got 500 likes on the post go watch the video again watch the ad again it was great and Eric of course is in the comments right here saying seeing you put your team's playoff run ahead of an individual alltime rushing record was a masterclass in leadership love the way you demonstrate how you put others first win as a team and invest for the long term grateful to call you our partner so shout out and even updated his LinkedIn today he did threw it up there he's got a few jobs he's got his job at uh at the Eagles now he's an investor at ramp so we'd love to see that he's finding time to update the LinkedIn and the offseason you know getting ready for the next run fantastic uh well let's move on to Dylan O Sullivan Dylan says Napoleon once said that it's surp that the surprising thing was not that Every Man Has a price but how low it is and I can't help but see that everywhere now you destroyed and betrayed yourself for a handful of clicks yeah the cringe posting can really destroy a person right that's uh I think that's what he's getting at there yeah but at the same time you got to just sometimes some people just need to be cringe for a little bit before they become goated you know so it's a balance it is yeah but I think this is one of those things just follow uh your advice what would your mother think that's true what would she say and you'll you'll almost never betray yourself if you're making your mother proud unless your mother is just absolutely insane yeah I mean it goes back to like the good quests idea thinking about sure there are there are pots of gold all over the place but when you look back on your life you're going to want to know that you chased an honorable one yep fascinating well let's move on to AI VC NASCAR says this is seriously getting out of hand and he shows something like 15 different AI llms chat GPT deep seek Gemini meta AI lechat which is hilarious uh co-pilot Claude perplexity grock Kimmy you hugging chat pie chat llm and quen and Jamie voo says I feel like 80% of these are irrelevant though uh it will be in the future interesting um there are I mean it is crazy how many llms there are and how serious they're being taken I mean it's the browser Wars all over again I guess yeah I think it's it's good you're going to get this sort of overinvestment in a bunch of companies and we don't know you know if 80 of these 80 of these will be Irrelevant in five years but we don't know which ones yet and so it's actually good that different teams can duke it out and go and you know enter this highly competitive market and uh you know innovate and just every single one of these teams is highly motivated to make an incrementally better or a 10x better uh you know version of their product every single day yep and it's good it's just obviously great for consumers yeah and there's clearly like many Forks in the road in terms of product design around these llms and one company can't really test every new product idea like what we were talking about with grock where grock will pull in your tweets and try and customize based on that and that has some amazing and great results and also some terrible ones uh chat gbt has differentiated by you know having all these different models which some people love some people hate uh Gemini obviously the huge context window meta AI baked into you know all these products that you use all the messenger produ products and and so I imagine that in the future uh the ones that will die off will be commoditized in the sense that they have very similar product experiences to other apps um but there's probably still an opportunity to to create something that is innovative within the llm framework make your app significantly different uh and then like what's happening at u.

com or uh not not U friend.

com where it texts you first that's even that minor change is a very different interaction um and there's more yeah or or perity where it feels more like a Google search honestly than like a chat interaction there's like lots of people taking risks trying different things uh anyway let's move on to besser Ventures Partners uh Roland is throwing a little shade he says who greenlighted this and besser says the memos like the knight's sword the firefighter's hose and The Lumberjacks axxe the venture capitalist courageously wields the memo I I love it I love this I greed that that's it's hilarious come on it's fun it's amazing you know you and Jason chimes in corrects the record you got to have a bit of sense of humor if you've been investing more than 10 to 12 years I think it's pretty tongue and- cheek funny like the night sword the firefighters hose and The Lumberjacks ax the podcaster courageously wields the mic yes the sure sm7b uh it's great it's fun they're having fun uh this is what we talked about with with James Bond where James Bond was SA was saing the more serious uh spy movies and then all of a sudden people were like wait James Bond is is serious and it's over the top and it's like no like they were they were having fun when they wrote like Moon raker and we're like let's go to space and shoot lasers you know like space lasers yeah like they were having fun with that and uh and there's lots of examples like that but it but it it it's not it takes the fun out of it when when you the the other the other context that's important here is is besser also shares their anti port folio of companies that they missed and so they're not going out and saying this is our memo our you know our our our sword always cuts perfectly like there sort of this idea that you know hey uh this is the vehicle to make investment decisions and this is a core part of our job and you should take pride in that in the same way that a knight takes pride in their sword yep I don't want to read a slot memo there's nothing worse than like getting a memo and it's like you want sword want sword sword so anyways I can see why why Roland would would think it's funny but but let's just enjoy it for and there's a lot of value if you're an entrepreneur and reading these memos because then you see what the internal thought process is like at a firm like besser which is great uh well let's move on to some uh timeline and turmoil why combinator backed a uh Fusion company that's building Fusion reactors for maritime vessels so and they also they also just backed as of an hour ago called orbital operations developing a high thrust reusable space flight vehicle that will be stationed in orbit to rapidly defend against threats to high value satellites so uh yeah and and people are taking massive issue with Y combinator funding deep Tech and I think it's like the silliest thing in the world why are you anti- investment in cool technology yep if they want to spend their money on these high-risk bets and teams want to spend a decade of their life taking this high risk why are we not celebrating that I want I want I want them to go back to a thousand companies a batch and just have them all be James Bond ideas for just one yes just James Bond idea James Bond company that needs to be coined that's fantastic uh yeah and also I'm old enough to remember when the criticism of YC was it's all consumer software they don't do anything in the real world well now they do and you're still not happy timeline so calm down you're unnotice uh so uh risk V says YC keeps doing this funny thing where they know the Zer Uber for xck doesn't work anymore so they're shifting to hard tech in double quotes uh or quadruple quotes but still want you to believe that three undergrad dropouts are capable of making a freight or capable nuclear reactor with a seed investment of 100K and just so yeah so funny because this guy risk V is just absolutely exposing himself or not not understanding how Venture Capital works because YC's entire model is we're going to give you a little bit of money you're going to make some progress and other people will give you a lot more so it's like exposed the best thing you got exposed so there's a community note on that post now and it's uh oh by the way uh they don't give you 100K they give you five times that now they give you 500k uh which is yeah actually enough to build like a little bit of a lab some prototyping and stuff uh lease some equipment do whatever you need to and they're like three undergrad dropouts and then they just post in the community notes like here's the LinkedIn of the guy he's not a Dropout like he's actually experienced because people go through YC all the time who have been deeper in their what we hate dropouts now yeah what we're oh yeah Palmer lucky never did anything good in hard tech yeah it's like in fact in fact a bunch of the best examples are are from these dropouts with who started with with very little and that's what Spore is highlighting here Spore says YC keeps doing this funny thing where they want you to believe that a former group on PM is capable of making the first the first dependently developed suic jet with a seed investment of 120k wonder how that's working out and it's like boom suic the guy kind of did it works uh yeah the other thing that people don't realize so YC puts out their requests for startups but the YC batches are a reflection of what Young Builders want to exactly exact and so if they're funding more they are asking people sometimes they'll give feedback on ideas like hey you know you're doing you wanted to apply with this and maybe you should do this you know it seems maybe more interesting but ultimately they're just funding what companies are coming to them yeah and so we should be looking at these new announcements being like this is amazing we've you know we we've gone P we're post SAS we have a bunch of our best and brightest that want to take on incredible risk all these any anybody that's going and doing this is potentially sinking five years of their life it's Priceless resource yeah into developing something that will only have a positive impact on the world yeah uh presumably if it works and so we should celebrate this and uh I want to see a James Bond YC batch badly yeah also you know it's like what are you worried about here like if it's capital in incineration like there not your money it's not your money it's super diversifi LP super Diversified because they're in so many companies and and the funds that the LPS in YC are also Diversified these are like huge institutions and there might be consolidation in the fusion IND in the future where yeah sure maybe these guys don't work out they work for 5 years they learn a ton about Fusion uh and they get a soft landing at helon or something you know it's like that could be fine and everyone could be happy like there's so many good endings here that's what we should be focusing on uh as opposed to just you know tearing down some people that want to build something cool anyway uh let's move on to low yield Lucy picot top she says uh still working remote in 2025 is like being one of those Japanese soldiers who stayed in the jungle for 30 years after world War II oh it's great yeah working remote is rough uh you got to get back in the office uh it it's expensive sometimes to said this before I don't know a single goated cracked however you want to describe it 22y old that wants to work remote anymore there are going to be some of them that build these massive businesses remotely and they they'll make it work but it's not an enjoyable way to do business I mean we have the opport we have the opportunity every single day that we could skip our commute totally and sit at home and just turn on the camera turn on the mic turn on zo some low effort weekly podcast yeah yeah yeah parttime podcasters but no I I I woke up at 4:45 this morning I'm so Hur I wake up at 4:45 I still get a amazing sleep score and I drive in here because it's the most enjoyable way to do business and we do our best work in person we we do it's great uh Paul Graham going back to James Bond I think there's an interesting thing we we talked about Bond on the Friday show we threw out John Foo as a potential uh Bond um but Paul Graham is uh posting a uh cartoon from The New Yorker it says no but Mr Bond I expect you to star in a series of increasingly Bland spin-offs and TV shows that have significant viewership decline after the first episode kind of highlighting what's happened to the Star Wars uh uh franchise and PG says it would be nice if Bond could avoid the fate of Star War that Star Wars suffered after it was handled handed over to the suits at Disney but what are the odds the creator of a franchise can resist soulless execs but one that's acquired starts out already in their hands what do you think is Bond gonna go downhill with a bunch of spin-offs I don't know I feel like it's a very powerful franchise if they just try to produce one great film every couple years forever yep and I'm happy with that as a consumer and I actually would like to see a spin-off from the bond Universe where they spend a100 million producing this crazy series I would enjoy seeing that I think what what I like what there are good spin-offs there are bad spin-offs I think the best spin-offs are where they don't try and recreate the original like genre and they actually take it in a different direction like the best Star Wars spin-off that I think is Rogue one and it's because it's not the same structure as Star Wars Star Wars is the hero's journey yeah where it's Luke Skywalker to go blow up the Death Star he he faces a bunch of trials and tribulations then he blows up the Death Star in the in Rogue one it's a heist movie and so they're trying to break in and steal something and then they all die at the end spoiler alert um but you should know this um but uh but so so I would totally watch a bond spin-off that's a horror film or a or a or a heist movie or or romcom yeah yeah romcom honestly people would take issue with that or or a movie about cars yeah in between in between uh special missions he just goes yeah or just trying to do crazy but I think it's actually lower risk than just trying to recreate the same thing again and again and now it's a TV show and now it's this and that or you know you need to do the the spin-off and it's just q and it's just him trying to build stuff and like bond is bond is incapacitated he's on an island getting cut in half of the laser and Q has to work on the next pen that explodes and so he's calling up YC Founders trying to get them to hack on it with him or something so good uh anyway good luck to everyone at Amazon working on bond we certainly hope that there's some good stuff coming uh let's move on to Gabe Gabe says uh and and this was a little bit of a spicy post uh Austin Kennedy said today is the my first day in San Francisco didn't expect to move here at 21 but I guess that's life and he posts a picture of an empty room with a uh bed that does not match the bed frame um and uh and some people were dunky on this and we we we fully support this go move to somewhere cool where the action is and start building and so Gabe says the canonical picture to post when you move to SF is a baren white room with an unmade bed in it and no other possessions except perhaps a laptop indicating that you have emptied your life of all non-essential things in order to more fully receive the blessing of the city and I I don't know how much he's joking but I I think it's great and I think these posts uh sure they got a little bit out of hand with like someone became a VC and posted it and that's like a little bit silly because like it's a little Stolen Valor um it's a little stolen Val like we know that you can afford a nicer bed setup uh but but for the founders that are moving there and trying to take a crack at something like this really does save you a couple hundred bucks you could put that towards AWS credits or something yeah you know so I support this I support people uh taking risk being young moving I want to go I want to go to SF and and uh have get like this palatial house and set up an eight sleep we're just like just moving to S living the dream living the dream you know the funny thing is that this is palacial next to what I so when I moved to the Bay Area I wasn't in San Francisco I was in Sunny Veil and then the tenderloin and also I didn't have a bedroom uh I split a bedroom with another guy and then I Liv in the living room you guys didn't you live for almost a year on like 16 Grand or like you raised like a your first money 17,000 the first money in was 17 grand and you were like okay we have to make this last for a year which is it was brutal in it was brutal it destroyed my credit I put like three grand on a credit card and stopped paying it and you got like a 400 credit score took me like years to build back up made it all back made it all back for sure um but yeah I'm glad that Founders are able to afford you know not complete swall speaking of Founders David senra is in is in our chat right now saying uh he said I would like the ability to call into the show live please and you can call in right now let's call him why not okay we can call him I'll call him right now this is our first time testing the live infrastructure I'm just gonna give him a call okay let's see I'm just calling on my phone I'm gonna put it up to the microphone hopefully we'll have David Center call in let's see let's see if he picks up if not we're going to Growing Daniel I don't know your call has he's not picking up wow oh he's talking such a big game I want to call in oh I'm gonna give his I'm gonna dox his phone number if I'm not careful all right anyways SRA give us a call back if you want to say hi but we can also you know plan yeah uh let's see let's see if I call him on FaceTime oh he says call on Wi-Fi yeah okay let's see let's see and just while we're David senra how you doing manid SRA dude you guys s me crying wa wait you talk at your big game you don't even pick up your phone dude you got a FaceTime audio me you an island I almost docked your phone number cuz your voicemail says thanks for calling seven and I was like oh no I don't want to give that out every every person will be calling you for advice well you guys know how profitable podcasts are so you know I live on an island and I don't have cell phone service you actually do live on island he does live on a fantastic Island in Florida well hopefully your Wi-Fi is strong uh we want to get we want to get your reaction to something let me find a post for you to react to um let's see you know what I hate what what you ha you call me yeah hold on here we go okay never mind I'm back live on the stream okay well you got to mute that so it doesn't play I did come on bro I'm not a [ __ ] amateur okay okay hey buddy this is a kid-friendly show cool with the fou language our kids our kids watch the show okay okay here here we we we got one from have you watched sance on Apple TV okay it's fantastic show I I watched season one haven't gotten into season two but Joe Rogan posted sance is a fantastic completely original and totally unpredictable amazing writing directing and acting just a totally unique show just finished season one and on to season 2 and Mark Gman who is the Bloomberg reporter who covers Apple religiously he says look forward to Tim Cook on Rogan do you think Tim Cook should do Rogan no why not I don't think he could hang for three hours I get him a couple glasses of whiskey couple cigars the good stories from uh manufacturing senen come out no that's actually an interesting question here like who has not gone on Rogan that you would want to see Sach Nadella Sundar pacai I want to see all these guys no no absolutely not so I'm sitting here I'm sitting here editing an episode on Buffett and Monga right now okay and one of the most important things that I learned from them is like the important of running the importance of like running all your decisions through opportunity costs so like make all your decisions based on your best alternative right and uh they tell stories for like multiple decades and I think it's actually like really interesting way I was actually talk talking to our friend Justin on the phone about this like last night and uh like he's got a bunch of you know obviously ton of opportunity ton of ways to spend his time tons of Investments and and he was talking about like being as ambitious as possible with his company and um should he do that inside of I don't even know should be repeating this on but basically when we came to the agreement is like he's he's a very special person and he's partnered with a very special person and the idea if you if you filter that decision through opportunity cost it's like no you stay with the partner you have because his partner is so [ __ ] gifted yeah of course and yeah um so I would the way if you approach like okay do I want to see Tim Cook on Rogan no and then my mind immediately goes to well who do I want to see on Rogan okay who do you want to see I was just actually this morning I was visiting a friend and uh driving to his house and I was listening to ro Mar Magnus Carlson oh yeah that's a good one it was really good and it got to the point where about the importance of uh flow and being obsessed with what you're doing to the point where I was such in flow listening to the podcast I missed the [ __ ] turn of where I was going wow so yeah I don't like who who has not been on there that I'd want to actually hear from I mean I just want big tech people for sure but I mean I'd love to see Jack dorsy go back on post act Travis kenck would be great I think with Tim Cook is we just need 3 hours of him on a podcast anywhere because got expl yeah I want to know who the real Tim is well out of all those people who would be the most unhinged Travis maybe I want to hear I want to hear SAA and Rogan just go on a rant about aliens for for like a couple hours yeah hey yeah did you guys hear Palmer lucky on Shawn Ryan oh yeah I listen to the whole thing it's fantastic that it was like I think Shawn said like six words and it was like [ __ ] oh my God yeah Palmer just opens with the with like the hard most hardcore conspiracies right up front he's like yeah I'm here Loosely promoting the ivas contract this is like the ivas like we got a $22 billion contract I'm supposed to be doing PR for that but let's talk about JFK I love it yeah so so real for me Rogan is the home of like unhinged I've been listening you know he's the first I I don't know if I told you the story I didn't I didn't know podcasting was a thing yeah a friend of mine used to invite me over to his house because he was really into UFC and he's like you got to see this thing that J ran does I'm like the [ __ ] Fear Factor Guy and um it was on Ustream at the time you see it live and then one day I was like oh I can't make it over he's like don't worry you can play the show back anytime you want I go what do you mean he goes it's a podcast I like what the [ __ ] is that and that's when I started becoming addicted to I need the beat button for this guy sorry Roman Rogan's like the the home of unhinged so yeah like if if it has to be a tech guy using you know Tech who knows maybe Tim Cook shows up and says look I don't believe in the moon landing I think the aliens are in on Egypt I would love that if if Tim's been boiling at the surface for years just with the craziest conspiracy theories shows up no what if he's like we're actually Apple's going to be in the alien ETF because like we're using alien technology he's like you think the iPhone would work if the world was round it it would not the iPhone would break immediately if this was not a flat Earth and Rogan's just like I'm listening you've got my attention I want Tim Cook to come back on and say they figured out a way to bring Steve Jobs back oh there we go yeah the Frozen and cry on his 70th birthday would have been amazing that would have been amazing yeah I'd love I'd love to see Tim Cook on on Rogan anyway um do you think Rogan uh what do you think he uses for corporate cards ramp of course of course uh G give me a little pitch for ramp while while you're on the show um it's funny I don't even want to talk about what's in our group chat so we can't say some of the stuff publicly because you know course um the the way I would describe ramp the important part which is really funny um so oh man I don't know how much of this stuff I can say publicly I got be very careful because we're on a live just give me just give me the high level of of your of your most recent uh of your most recent ad read what were you saying about ramp well everybody knows the founders at ramp ad rat are the best yeah um but what I would second only to tbp on no once you guys have the ramp hats hat is is beautiful you guys need [ __ ] ramp hats yeah um but what I would say is like the literally the best people I know the the the best entrepreneurs on the planet some of the stuff you can't even talk about publicly they're all using ramp and I think I really do believe that ramp has the greatest technical team by far in their industry yeah and I think the gap between them and other people is just going to constantly expand I agree um and I think it's going to be a symbol of like whether you're a serious company or not like if you want to be did you see that that great Timothy sham yeah we that on the show okay I didn't see that part he's like you know listen I'm not I'm not being bashful he didn't use that word but he's like I'm going I'm trying to be great I want to be like great at what I do Jordy literally shouted you out during our analysis of this saying David SRA probably got so fire I think so my theory is that Tim listened to how you talk about podcasting and was like I'm going to steal this and use it at a much bigger audience so I think that he honestly just like took your words out of your mouth yeah I think this is important because when he says I'm in the pursuit of greatness I know people don't usually talk like that but I want to be one of the greats I'm inspired by the greats like you know I'm not in this to like this isn't a [ __ ] game to me like I'm not I'm trying to be literally the best that ever the best person in the world at what I do yeah and what I would say is like I I do think there's going to be ramp's gonna turn into a status symbol yep or uh or like a a shorthand way to understand like you take your company serious because the product is just light years better of anybody else's totally totally uh let's go to this Rick Rubin post I want to get your reaction here Rick rubben said tool tools will come tools will go only the vibe coder remains Rick rubben are you familiar with Vibe coding uh I don't think so what's Vibe coding Vibe coding is uh this new type of programming that's enabled by uh services like uh cursor and wind Surf and and cognition Devon and so when you're working with Devon you kind of get in this Flow State where you're just kind of sending Vibes to Devon and then Devon's doing the instantiation of your idea and so a lot of people were saying that the new era of vibe coding is very like what Rick Rubin does where Rick Rubin cannot play the instruments but he has taste and so your job as a Vibe coder which is a term that was coined by Andre karpathy one of the greatest programmers in history he uh he says that like this Vibe coding is what humans are uniquely good at and so I was wondering what your what what do you see as a Vibe coder A vibe aligner A vibe driven podcaster have you have you I think everything we're talking about is actually related I think I'm gonna do the weave since the weave is what I'm known for hit me with the weave you ask me like do I watch SE no do I know what this [ __ ] random term on the Internet is no and I just got done saying I'm trying to be the greatest in the world at what I do so like those things are all related like if you actually care what you're doing like you just basically do that over and over again and the reason that doing the the like the amount of reps right I've been doing the podcast gu for almost eight years I work on it seven days a week I only think about it all the time Patrick uh our friend from the best best like the best Patrick's like I have to figure out a way to make money where David turns uh I want to get paid every time David for David's ability to turn every single conversation back to podcast true and I think it's related to the question you just asked me and why Rick rubin's so great at what he does is because the spending more time with it and dedicating reps and Reps and Reps and Reps is like you're going to build an intuition that you might not even be able to explain to other people but is excessively valuable so yeah I think Vibe coding intuition taste these are going to be like the limiting factors in like the world of infinite leverage that we're going in you know I'm I'm start listen I I [ __ ] deep research you know psychos for a living you know Achievers right yeah and I have to tell you like I become like a daily active user of open ai's deep research tool great so like eventually you just might be able to make your own Founders podcast onever you want so like what is actually going to differentiate me from somebody just saying if you actually just want to sit there and learn you know about a person that did something interesting yeah you know You' probably be able to do that with them yeah um and so I think the ability to make it interesting entertaining informative um the curation and the hustle yeah yeah like um this just happened recently where uh my friend Alex tomman said something that was very interesting he's the founder of this company called Long Lake and um and he's been uh essentially he's like uh he was talking about how like his I I analyzed the way one of his best friends they were like roommate roommates in college I've been friends for like 15 years and I analyzed like the way he was hiring people at this company and Tom's like see this is why your podcast is so good because I've known that guy for 15 [ __ ] years and you put it into like four words and it has makes me gives me a fundamental understanding that even if I knew what was going on you actually put the words into it so I can remember it and use it in my company um and so yeah I think the the what you want to do is spend a lot of time doing this like I talked to you guys about you know your podcast is going to get way better if you do it five times a week instead of one times a week like you were doing it and I think part of that like vibing is just another word for intuition that you can't actually and I think inition older I think intuition is actually older than language um and so I I think it's like to be taken very very seriously we had these conversations in our group chat about like who's the best we might have an argument or debate on technology Brothers one day yeah about who the best founder of all time is and you know I have a my own list but you know Steve Jobs it doesn't matter who the [ __ ] you are he's definitely on the mountain Rushmore it's his birthday today yeah and if you go back and and and just read what he wrote and what he talked about later in his life he's like intuition plays a huge role in my career like I'm Guided by intuition Rick Rubin is Guided by intuition I think a lot of these people are actually Guided by things that they would have a hard time describing to another person it's fantastic well thanks for calling in we're gonna get back to the show we'll talk to you soon I love you guys talk love you too bye let's yeah for those for those that don't know SRA it was October November we were in we were in Miami in Miami before Halloween and I distinctly remember standing outside of f yeah I don't think you were there yeah I asked senra because senra at the time had been one of the few people that we had sent the RSS feed to and he was just listening to some of the episodes and we said should how seriously should we take this and he was like you should take this deadly seriously yeah and we went back and we switched to three days a week then we went to 5 days a week and then we went live and uh the rest is history so we basically have to credit everything to him and uh it's amazing that he was the first official guest we've been waiting to have first official guest but he was the only right person to have on the show and uh one of the few people like I I've talked about this so much of Life Is Knowing who to take advice from totally and senra is one of the few people that when he tells us to do something we pay attention because yep uh he has not led us astray yeah and uh decade of experience really knows his stuff really cares yeah fantastic uh well let's move on to the next Post in the timeline Sam Alman uh welcomed a little uh boy to the world uh and congratulations to him but Dylan Patel has a funny reaction so we wanted to highlight here on the show he says I thought all these AI cultists weren't having kids because what's the point when we get super intelligence if Sam Alman has a kid now that means we ain't getting AGI sell everything and uh I think I I think he's having a lot of fun um but it is an interesting point which is like like I whenever I see an entrepreneur who has a kid I do feel like their vision of the future is maybe a little bit more uh I don't know uh just just Humane than than than other people they're a little bit less dystopian totally you know you could see this with Zuck when he had his kids and there was all this questions about is Instagram bad for young kids is it too addictive is it giving them body dysmorphia issues and it's something where I genuinely believe that Zuck has enough control and enough money that he would sacrifice some shareholder value to create a product that is better for the world and and that's and that's and that's like underpinned by the fact that he is thinking about the Next Generation because your mind and your heart does change once you have kids and so I'm excited I want everyone in uh obviously very Pro natalist want everyone in Tech to have kids and think about the Next Generation and just be optimistic for the future so uh congrats to Sam and congrats to Dylan for uh putting a little dunk post on the timeline but still having fun with it uh let's move on to Mike Maples did you see this post I missed Mike Maples said a magical car at Magic hour and he posts his BMW Z8 and uh it's a fantastic sports car and we love to see a capital allocator sharing what they do with all the money and a Z8 is a fantastic choice I don't know if you ever driven one of those pretty rare it looks like an amazing spec is that I think it has tan does it have tan seats or accents but um uh good choice Mike we'd love to uh we'd love to discuss it on the show call in let us know how it drives maybe we'll do an episode live in the car I'm gonna use the restroom you're gonna do this one quick ad okay so good well let's move on to a promoted post from our friends over at adquick out of home advertising Made Easy and measurable say goodbye to the headaches of out of home advertising only ad quick combines technology out of home expertise and data to enable efficient seamless ad buying across the globe and we got a very cool post from adquick here uh so Ryan Peterson good friend of mine uh uh CEO of flexport he says what's it like working in an industry that doesn't create the most beautiful images in the entire world and he posted four really incredible photos of uh shipping containers on ships and uh there's just like these beautifully chaotic very high contrast images I couldn't they looked AI generated he said they were just stock photos but they're fantastic and of course this led to a lot of people quote tweeting his post with um photos of their industry whether that's heavy industrial Machinery or Rockets or whatever they're working on um and so adquick uh quotes it and says we couldn't tell you because we put an ad on the sphere in Las Vegas I love the sphere I think it's a I think it's a really interesting Monument uh and it depends on what you put on it but ad quick can help you put an add on the sphere um it's very expensive but I think if you get the uh if you get the positioning right and you pick the right uh image to put on the sphere it's it can go mega mega viral you can take a video of it from a plane and get these really really cool images and uh obviously you need a you need some link to your product being round so uh you know if you're selling something that's like flat or Square probably not going to do well in the sphere but uh you've seen a lot of basketballs and tennis balls and anything that's spherical uh if you sell that they should put paler on there the paler is a is a crystal put put a big paler ad on uh on the uh the sphere and do it through ad we love thank you to adquick for sponsoring that bathroom break yeah let's go to some uh some crypto related posts uh Flynn says remember when Jack dorsey's first tweet was sold as an nft for $2.

9 million I do remember that it was crazy at the time they gave it away they gave it away was it was I I I actually didn't know this was was Jack dorsy the one selling it I don't think so I think it was literally somebody just screenshot it and put it on polygon or whatever that's amazing yeah on polygon uh it wasn't actually tied to any nope and that was the thing with with these it was say oh the nfts make it scarce and it was like unless I screenshot it and then upload it to a different chain make an nft exactly and and so you know there was the whole critique of like uh you could just right click download the nft get the art for free and that was true but the real risk with the nft things was that there the there was unbounded Supply and you can always do a new drop and uh there's a related post here from calb gamon he says uh uh quote tweeting someone who says what a time for monkeys uh looking at the monkey lineup of movies from this year better man featured a monkey Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes Godzilla Kong the monkey an R-rated uh horror film that just uh debuted at number two monkey man which is a very cool action movie that I wanted to see but I never got around to and wicked had a monkey in it and CB giman said I wish there had been some way for me to invest in Apes three years ago of course talking about the board ape yach club and it's funny um but yeah I mean the the problem was of course right after the The Bard abiat Club came you know the kitties and the dogs and the one of one of the challenges so so there was a moment in time on X specifically and Instagram to some degree and Discord and things like that where uh having a $200,000 profile picture by nature of using an nft that you got was a total status symbol it was like and and I was somewhat uh yugal laabs was a customer of mine and so I was generally you know I I think what they've there was a lot of really good execution in a bunch of ways right um and one of you know my thinking was that nfts could potentially be the sort of supercars or the watches of the internet because everybody that's online it's sort of if you're anonymous it's hard to Signal y status like are you actually legit and it's the same way same one of the same reasons that people will wear a nice watch because they walk into a room and people are like wow he's got a RM on his RIS like he must have done something in life to to be able to uh you know purchase that the challenge is that there's so much Alpha and being yourself online and just using a regular picture of yourself right that's one take the other is what's the iron law of the universe easy come easy go right and the problem I saw Jeremy Jeremy gon popiz popularized that term uh and so what what was the problem with the nfts is that yes they could have been the supercars or the watches of the world but like what is the history of Ferrari yeah when you're driving a Ferrari decades yeah and part of the reason why you know Adam ARP these are 200y old companies they've spent so long expert like branding themselves as Craftsmen and not just branding being Craft part of the reason part of the reason a Ferrari cost what it cost is because they had to spend 100 years like figuring out how to even a casual car fan can tell you Enzo Ferrari they know the person right and and Lamborghini the same thing oh they built uh tractors and then they spun out pin and finina like there's all these different names in the in the Supercar even in the watch world uh where there are stories about what made these Brands great and those don't just happen over a weekend and a hyped launch right and so I would believe that an nft profile picture and I think that the uh the which ones is it the the pixelated guys uh the crypto punks those have kind of stuck around a little bit and I think that I think that if they stick around for another 20 years they could be really cool and they could be rare and and I and I had one uh by Moxy Marlin Spike that I thought was really valuable because he wrote this blog post he is a Craftsman he is this crazy valuable yeah well I think it will be valuable as because it it tells a story basically we're early bro we're early it's it's it's the the prominence of the champ bro you just don't understand like I just you don't appreciate fine technology okay I don't actually own it but uh but yeah I mean like a lot of art is driven by story right and so and so I would believe that if someone stays in the trenches for the next two decades building something building a story around a piece of art that happens to live on chain it could eventually be valuable be I think be yeah he sold the the the one photo for $69 million I don't know if that'll ever get back there but there are some works of people that represent a certain moment in time on the internet and he does have that story he put in the work like David Center he new new image every single day for a decade yeah crazy so the challenge yeah which which his story is amazing and we should actually cover it more I we should see what he's posting yeah today the um the challenge is that so much of these sort of trophy collectible objects so much of the the value is I own this oneof one thing yeah from this specific moment in time but I can look at it I can touch it can put it on my wall and the issue with sort of digital Collectibles is they haven't bridged that Gap in a great way where if you buy a baseball that was thrown in the World Series in this year and it was the it was the Grand Slam you know it was the ball that was hit in Grand Slam you can put on your desk and that brings you some amount of joy we haven't seen that in the digital world where people people were creating their sort of nft Museum when you bought a he would s you a printed version with signed and it was a very ni collectible um did X just turn off the ability to use nft profile pictures you remember the hexagons they're just gone and Turner Turner he still has still had it's fake it's the fake one it's so funny honestly brilliant yeah it's one of his best bits um very funny anyway uh enough enough monkey news let's move on to uh the all-in podcast had an interview with Patrick Collison and uh and Pat paty Callis and this right boys uh straight out Ireland came by for a chat and uh apparently stripe has an internal inflation in indicator that could potentially be more accurate than the CPI uh so this is episode 216 um because it's not hyper political probably yeah and so uh chamath says uh one of the big things we've talked about is how many backward revisions there are to everything from non-farm payrolls to GD GP that they've become so unreliable and also it's very difficult that for people that are transacting in Market to know what to do have you guys ever thought about that Patrick says uh we did look at inflationary data over the last couple years and I think you can construct and the team did construct a pretty reliable leading indicator for inflation because of course stripe poers so many e-commerce sites if they see prices going up that's an indicator that inflation might be coming and I feel a bit ruul with you asking the question because I feel like on some level we should have done it like we should have published our data stripe is not a full cross-section of the economy we're more biased towards online and we're more biased towards Innovative companies so the interpretation can be a bit tricky because of course like you know the price of gasoline probably isn't captured in or food probably isn't captured in striped data uh and that's a huge part of what drives true inflation or the inflation that people feel pain at the pump pain at the grocery store the second thing is that the stripe business is growing so quickly and changing so fast that it's not necessarily representative of the economy having said that I think in principle you could draw some conclusions and so we would like to share that openly because I think it's a public good for there to be better and more reliable economic data and I love that I hope they do it I think that'd be really really cool yep um yeah I mean yeah it was a great interview and you see this it was interesting they they started bickering amongst themselves in front of the guests which I was a little bit un uncomfortable for everyone Jason was trying to say that that people at at anderol he's like oh I'm friends with a bunch of the board members that was from that episode yeah that's hilarious it was really and the strip guys are just like what are you guys doing yeah uh anyway um I I I love this I I think any big Finance Company should have an internal Economist we saw this with ramp AR carazan has been posting uh data about what's happening in in AI consumption and what AI companies are are seeing upticks and corporate purchases across ramp cards strip could do the same thing publish a lot of data it's good content helps build the brand and it's informative so value to the to the reader let's move on to Reggie James he says I think personal robotics will be a lot more cute than the humanoid form that can clearly beat me up and so clearly triggered by the uh by the super scary clone robot uh and he uh I think he said something else about uh you know you want to be able to throw a computer out the window if you need to yeah this this ties back I mean I posted I think Saturday that um I I want there to be basically the robot Olympics but focused on extreme sports like I want to see robots do MMA I want to see them do base jumping cliff diving uh all these sort of things that humans do that are um you know at at Major risk to life the robot should have to do them as well so um let's uh let's make it happen well let's move on to our last sponsor of the day eight sleep baby let's do it nights that fuel your best days turn any bed into the ultimate sleeping experience and we got a post here by longevity maximalist eight sleep just dropped their first ever supplement a melatonin free formula they worked with Peter AA uh using 600 million hours of sleep data studies show users fell asleep 34% faster and feel 64% better during the day a mix of tryptophan Valyrian root ashwaganda and Cherry so go check that out and of course get an N Sleep and if you want a hat like this send us use our code pbpn and then send us your receipt and we'll for it the other thing the other thing I want to make note of so we are John and I are now entering a competition of who's going to get the best the best average sleep score we do over the next year and what I want to ask them is see if we can have the community opt into it and then share data somehow so that we can all track it because I'm sure last night I mean I've just been putting up ridiculous numbers I mean I've been really the beauty of tracking it like this is that you do you do you just automat ially are more inclined to get to bed a little bit earlier I put up 99 last night oh you beat me I got 94 how much time did you sleep I slept 7 hours and 31 minutes oh I got you beat there I got eight and a half that's crazy insane that's actually that's why I got docked cuz I sleep earlier the chall so so no so the challenge is everybody thinks they're getting they're like8 hours because they're going to bed at 10:00 and waking up at you know 6 but it's actually more like they kind of got in bed at like 10 15 and they fell asleep at 10:50 and then blah blah blah maybe they woke up in the middle of the night all of a sudden they're not getting that that 8 hour so um uh anyways well let's move on to another uh another segment from the by the way I got eight minutes I got to get on with our CPA yeah I got handle business uh so uh Dave freeberg at the all-in podcast there's a quote here from Grant he says I have a thesis that AI more than anything unlocks deeply complicated projects for humans that would otherwise be in feasible on a daily basis we mine to the Center of the Earth and we get cool Rare Earth minerals from 500 miles down we go to space and colonize the moon and all these crazy things because AI unlocks all these large scale projects that would require millions of people paraphrasing from an epic vision from Friedberg I love it I think that's a great vision I think that's super positive and that all of a sudden it's like yeah like you want to build a company to do something aggressive and how helpful would it be to have a 100,000 phds on your team yeah and it's just like oh yeah we need to calculate the trajectory of crazy is we have that today like we we we basically have we're getting close we're getting close totally if you're leveraging the models at the extreme you basically have access to as many phds as you want yeah but you still need to Puppeteer them and it's still it's almost it's still very in the Centaur mode but that's that's a that's an opportunity for great managers yeah I mean I find myself right now I I typically fire off like one deep research query at a time but every once in a while I'll do two tabs and then it's like okay I got a team under me but what does it look like when I have a thousand under me yeah like that will be very interesting and Orchestra each exactly very very cool so very excited yeah uh let's move on to Kip mock says I'm a professional Automotive painter by the way we might have a job for you we're looking to paint a car uh he's got a beautiful Porsche here and he threw the Valar atomics logo right on it and uh all and Zach says gundo corporate merch is getting out of control yeah I don't think you get one of these uh for maybe if you buy a nuclear reactor from them you might just get a Cayman that'd be fantastic well congrats to Kip and it looks fantastic good detailing work we love to see it uh let's give a shout out to Nicole whis that's that's the Gundam mentality by the way just I I want my logo on my car I'm just going to do it yep totally and that's an American mentality it's fantastic um now maybe switch it out for a Mustang if you want to be real American about it uh let's go to Nicole wisoff uh she hit a 100 th000 followers on X congratulations to Nicole gone we haven't hit the gong we yeah we haven't hit the gong what do we got whoa that was not good [Music] let it's not a here we go there we go the gong for Nicole very good nice big ring um they say uh thank you to everyone who's been here from the start would have never guessed that a single app would help me build a pretty cool Venture firm in record time and a pretty firm backbone uh my first post in September of 21 was hard to launch was to launch was was was to hard launch a $5 million fund one so far from there to now so far to go stick around so congrats to Nicole we'd love to see it uh maybe potential we're bringing back brother of the week potential brother of the week here yeah got speedr running September 2021 from a $5 million fund to a $50 million fun and amassing an army of 100K followers in that time and she's starting to build out a car collection which she'll have to talk about on the show and a spacious home as well and a family with a kid which we love doing it all congratulations let's go to can Kenneth Castle I think you'll love this one he says we still haven't seen one dripped out humanoid SMH lowan Banger L loved it I thought it was so funny and then Aaron Francis says haven't we and posted Zuck which is a little silly but he does seem less robotic lately but yeah you know uh this seems like a perfect project for 1X I feel like 1X they're hanging out with Lil be the base God they should they should throw some drip on that guy call up Reggie get some get some fashion advice yep hip hip City reg would definitely help you get your humanoid dripped out and I think that could also go viral you know people are gonna get sick of the humanoid stunts we've seen it fold laundry we've seen it make coffee let's see it you know do a runway walk at Paris fashion week I want to see it do a kick flip wearing wearing Balenciaga yes yes for sure for sure uh let's go to Andrew Reed over he says always suspicious of young people who are points guys same with tax obsessive lack appreciation of opportunity cost of your attention it's a good point I've never been into uh points my my hack is you know I I have one friend who's into it once every five years I get dinner with him or something I say what credit card should I get he says this one and I say okay and then I use that for the next half decade what are your thoughts on points do you optimize I've never been into it yeah never been big into that world I like them I like that I just spend money and then eventually I just pot of gold Irishman you know there's nothing uh there's nothing better right but uh but yeah just just a somebody that's a Founder that is potentially building you know if they're raising Venture Capital that means they're doing everything they can to build a you know billion dooll company focus on the billion dollar company and in your free time you know if you just find points so fascinating that you want to spend your free time doing that but I would say touch grass instead yeah or come on our podcast and and just Yap Lage opportunties higher leverage opportunities let's close Matt Turk he says marketing that doesn't work for B2B startups paid social ads uh email marketing campaigns gated white papers endless website rebuilds what does work CEO is Chief marketer genuine original social presence Relentless content production smaller inperson events like dinners small online small scale events like webinars a lot of B2B marketers CMO VP marketing surprisingly seem to be stuck in that first world what do you think well said I mean we've talked about this before every Legacy company does for the most part doesn't understand X they're still using links hashtags they're posting just Bor they're posting blogs that link out to other places like shows a total lack of understanding I think I think what this comes down to is just understanding the platforms and what they want so X wants uh CEO like founder Le Brands they want genuine social presence not hey here's 10 ways that you can do this thing whatever uh Relentless right so the the big issue right now with with marketers is that don't realize the volume you can make a great piece of content put it out there Sy but you need a system to create this ridiculous volume if you want to be competitive in the feeds and then I think smaller you know founder series founder dinners things like that were getting memed in 2021 2022 because it felt like 20% of all venture dollars were going to them but they still work in terms of building um the key though is to actually make sure that it's an amazing ad so if you get 10 Founders together better spend five minutes aggressively talking about your business and not just hoping oh yeah people are going to enjoy the food and convert later it's like no you got to really got to really sell that's a great place to end the show thanks for tuning in leave us five stars on Apple podcast Spotify follow us on YouTube follow us on X and we will see you tomorrow thanks for watching thanks for listening appreci can't wait for tomorrow can't wait we could do another four hours right now let's be honest but we got to go got to get on calls got to get on with taipe we will talk to you tomorrow bye see y