Dingboard founder Yacine left X to focus on his meme-making app after the xAI merger turbocharged the codebase

He's an absolute Chad. That's awesome. And he was telling me about you earlier. Yeah. So, shout out to Max. Anyways, thanks for coming on. We'll talk to you soon. Cheers. Have a good rest of your day. Uh, next up we have welcome. Chat has been waiting. Yakine, how are you doing? What's going on?

Uh, you are on mute, brother. No audio yet. We got the video. We got the weight rack set up in Is that a weight rack or Looks like it. Hello. Test. Yeah, we can. How you doing? Testing. Good. I haven't set up my DACK yet. So, no, you're good. You're good. What's happening?

Let me just uh uh ask uh uh let me just check like let me just look at something on Sure. Uh yeah, we'll we'll we'll give the basic background on you for the audience while you figure that out. A poster who needs no introduction. He needs no introduction.

um uh founder of Ding Board, a what are the names based of the hosts of John and Jordy. John and Jordy. Hey, how's it going? Nice to meet you guys. My name is Yen. Uh apologies. Uh good to meet you. Hello. Thanks for thanks for the introduction. I appreciate the time as well.

And I'm like actually like a huge fan of you guys. Like uh someone someone I someone I used to work with uh introduced me to you guys. So, I like found a lot of enjoyment. That's great. It's great to have you on. How have the last few days been? Um, a little bit stressful to be honest.

Uh, I've slept three hours every single night because uh posting on Twitter has been so fun and uh unfortunately for fun or stressful. Yeah. Uh, so both fun and stressful because I can't stop posting and uh that's uh not good for me, but I I will basically just not stop posting. Yeah.

But if you keep posting the way you have been, could you potentially replace your salary? you were making in the seven figure mark. You got to really ramp it up a little bit.

You know, I used I used to go on 4chan and these like people would be like, "Yeah, I'm like making like a million like a mill two million at these AI companies. " I'd be like, "No way. There's no way you guys are making 2 million at these AI companies. " And I started making like seven digits this at an AI company.

I was like, "Wait, like these guys weren't actually lying. Like you actually make that much money at these AI companies. " Um, and it's like pretty fun work too as well. So yeah, for like I didn't work on AI. I worked on like bugs that really annoyed me on the app. And that's why I joined actually.

So I joined X because uh there were a lot of bugs that really annoyed me and I fixed quite a lot of them. So I'm pretty happy like with the work I've done.

X X X is the product I use that I find the most bugs yet am not just I don't abandon the product like that's how super interesting that's a super interesting thing and it's because there's like when it's a very large app right so the scale is huge and you guys are like right tail users right like you guys are famous like the you know the podcast of the tech bro podcast sorry the the host of the techro podcast you guys are famous so the amount of notifications you guys get the amount of replies you guys get the amount of DMs that you guys get is an insane amount you guys are so far into the right tail but like how many people are there like That's why it feels buggy for you.

But for most people, like an engineer who's like creating a test account and like clicking around, it's not it's not going to be buggy for them. And for what it's worth, this is true across all the apps.

Power users will always experience a lot of bugs unless they have someone to like uh really like, you know, um talk to them and like understand what their pain points are. And and for what it's worth, X does a really great job. Like I mean, it's actually remarkable how well X was as run as a company.

And like just working there, I got to learn a lot about like how to get engineers motivated and like really like get [ __ ] done. like uh it was it was awesome work there. It was like super super how how uh do you wish you had the opportunity?

You you were working remotely the entire time and and that was maybe counter to the broader ex culture. Do you think it's the type of organization where if you're going to work there you should just 100% be in the office or do you think Yeah.

So the person who hired me like was like dude like let me tell you you you're going to have to get to the office. My wife uh so at the time I got the offer in between I was interviewing I found out that my my wife was pregnant.

So I let them know and congratulations because uh yeah so so kid is born now he's 7 months old.

Um so that's by the time I joined I was like okay well we're going to I'm going to work remotely for a bit and then see if I can move but as the kid got older my priorities started changing a bit and I I was kind of like considering and talking to my wife about like different ways I could come to politics.

I I could totally work remotely like and be productive. I think after the X and XAI merger, the information attractor got so strong and the talent at XAI, they were like ship, they're shipped so much. Like I used to be able to read every commit.

Like I used to actually just like sit there on my email and like click archive over and over again and read every single commit that went to the codebase. But after the Xi AI people joined, it was there's like literally no way. So they're like you're and I mean I told one of the XAI guys this.

It was like uh you know when when you have like um dinosaur [ __ ] and you know which was the Twitter codebase and you get extreme pressure which is XAI talent. Get diamonds. You get diamonds. That's how I was so bullish after that. Like it's like they're really like they're really pushing on it.

It's like uh really awesome. I want and honestly I really wanted to be there. Like I wanted to go and I think it was like probably I was talking to my manager at the time. I was like, "Um, can I like maybe come like twice every quarter or something?

" Was and he was like super I Forsworth, by the way, like my manager was reading between the lines. Totally surprised. Totally surprised. He looked super depressed in the meeting. I felt so bad for him. But it's if you're watching this, it's okay, dude. Don't worry about it.

You're uh seriously like some people like the probably the best thing I think like working at X is like I got to work with these engineers who've worked at Twitter for so long and when I joined I was like, "Oh, these guys like are onboarded onto everything. " But that wasn't the case.

Like my manager literally could just figure anything out. It felt like he was already onboarded onto everything, but he could actually just like read the code, look at the logs, and figure out what the problem was within 30 minutes, and it didn't matter what it was. I I was like, "This guy must have been here for years.

" No, he's like actually just that good. Um, so I mean, I really loved working with him. He's like a really awesome guy. Um, I think it was surprised. Um, I I I guess like I guess I kind of kind of guessed what happened to be honest, but it doesn't really matter. But anyways, like it's been really great working there.

So, I was I was going to go to visit actually we were planning to visit Palto. My wife is going going on a trip with her mom and the baby and I was like, "Okay, like that's one week. I know I'm not I didn't want to go on the trip because I had work to do. Not anymore.

So, I'm probably going to go and it's going to be pretty fun. " Um, but like uh I was going to I was planning for that week to go to Palp Palto, but uh but also my manager was like, "Can you come like next week?

" And I told my wife and she's like literally like, you know, baby in her arm like you know trying to like scarf food in her mouth for like the few seconds that she had just like clearly dying. So, first- time parents, right? So, we're kind of getting used to it, but yeah. No, it's a crazy it's a crazy change.

What um why don't you give some background on what you were doing prior to X Dingboard and then I want to talk about the future. Is that the Okay, sure. So, uh you guys can I'm probably going to like work a bit more on Dingboard. Um there's a bunch of bugs that I want to fix.

I just didn't have the time with my full-time job. Uh so, dingboard. com is the best app ever. Dingboard. com. If you want to make a meme in seconds, 15 seconds meme. I was a paid user. I was a paid user. I loved it. Thank you very much for paying very very good. You know, like your money actually helped pay for this.

Like this is this is John Kugan. 2% of this is John Kugan, right? No, it was and you should give him naming rights. It's actually crazy that that mobile meme making is so in the dark ages and I feel like you just pulled it forward.

I used to have an app called like Photoshop Mix or something and it was pretty good and then they just completely deprecated it and then they put ads in it which was I would I was dealing with and then they just shut it down and it was pretty good at dropping out the backgrounds and doing it wasn't great but it was okay and then they forced you to go over to Photoshop Express and Lightroom and it and so I'm using two different apps and neither of them are good anywhere near what you need and so I was always I was always a fan of of Dingboard but I was actually like in the process when I joined them I was in process of rewriting it so that it could deploy on web like applications and sorry on iOS and Android.

And it's actually like if you guys if you guys are a nerd there's there's something called soal. Okay. So is made by this Swedish guy. I think he's retired kind of. He works three days a week and on the four days that he has he's working on this crossplatform GL um graphics library like uh I guess like transpiler.

So you write in one GL language. It'll it will produce the the metal version for iOS. It'll produce the version for Android and it'll produce the version for web. So I can use the same code and the code can be basically like it can basically be the same code base deployed to all apps.

And then John Kugan and Jordy can make memes in seconds and get more followers on X. This is the future I was promised. Yeah, it feels like incredible founder market fit for you to make a tool that helps posters make memes.

I mean like the reason was because I was like making memes on my software engineering diagramming tool and then they like started adding a watermark and I was like [ __ ] this. You [ __ ] ruined my meme making tool. I am going to war. It's been two weeks and then I remember you had you had sponsors. This is I love this.

the sponsors when you would open a new dingboard file, it would just have a semi analysis ad from Dylan. It's still there. It's still there. Oh, it's still there. It's still there. So, I mean, semi analysis, Dylan Patel, you should guys should go check out his Substack.

Uh, he sponsored me for three months and he stopped sponsoring me and I was too lazy to remove it. He's not, but uh he's actually he's on passport with Ben Thompson. But anyway, he's the man and we love him. And uh but the but the big question is like Dingboard, you're super popular online.

Um, why didn't you go and raise like $15 million from a grocery? Oh, dude. Man, that sounds so lame, man. Oh, like raising money with managing people on the road. I'm so not down. I'm so not down. I mean, I could serve like literally, dude. Like this.

I have two plugged in right now and I don't have enough power going to my house to like like plug this one in, which is why it's unplugged. Um, but like I could serve literally a [ __ ] million people. A [ __ ] million. So, we're going to blow your mind.

We're going to blow your mind with this, but sometimes you can raise 15 million and you can do what's called a secondary transaction where some of the money goes directly into your pocket. You don't have to hire that many people. Yeah.

So, you could raise like 50 on 500 and it's, you know, take take 40 million off the table. Yeah. Just just to kind of set yourself up a cushion. They call it a cushion. I feel like I feel like you want the opposite of that. I would never trust a founder who asked for that. Like example joking. He's joking.

Yeah, I'm joking. Roy Lee never happens. You You don't You don't want a founder with money. You want a founder with no options. You want a founder like Roy Lee from Clue. New dad. New dad or or new dad. Got to figure it out. Got to figure it out. I've got to figure I I need I need a twoacre lawn and a zeroturn tractor.

That's what I need. I This is I need this. I will get it no matter what. Maybe the next 10 years. But like Roy Lee, for example, uh CEO I think of Cluey who he he got, you know, kicked out of his university. A disgraced tardant fee. He has no choice. I wish I got an allocation. I didn't even know he was raising.

I would have written I I I need the money, right? Like I got a kid. I would have written a check without even thinking. I don't even care what the Buffy's doing. Yeah, you're you're a Roy Lee defender. Okay. Okay. But here's the thing about I want a number for Dingboard. Like how many users did you get?

How much money were you making? Give us some sort of number so we can ring the dong. I think the peak MR was like like I I mean I don't uh I don't remember. I'm not raising. I don't want funding. Probably 10K. 10K 10K. Indie developer. Let's hit the gong for you. Let's [ __ ] go. Let's go.

Honestly, honestly ringing that for your fans too because you're you you genuinely you're you're a internet celebrity and you have real fans. I the question the question I have for you is cuz you're a Roy Lee defender.

Uh how what what what's your line between balancing you know engagement sort of like rage baiting versus you know you sound like much more even keeled you know on on the show right now. All my rage baits here's what makes people so mad. Sure. that I actually believe what I say. I'm not saying it to piss people off.

I really believe it. Like I actually really mean it when I say it, which makes them even more angry. It makes them just like and but like when you're honest, like I mean like you know I'm I'm a big believer in like honesty and stuff like that.

And like um like when you're honest like you kind of like also the same amount of haters that you gain, you kind of gain the twice as much as like people who like are fans of you. And I think that's what really matters. And sometimes the haters can kind of drown it out.

Uh, so like I mean the reason I'm I'm a big fan of Roy Lee is because he posted that video right around the time I got fired. I got like an email which was a bunch of like really scary legal words like non-disparagement. I had like to like Google what this meant. Like I didn't even know what disparagement meant.

I was like okay wait I'm not going to sign anything. I'm going to wait for a lawyer. And um and then Roy Lee did this thing and I realized like you know what like Roy Lee's a [ __ ] legend. He's got skin in the game. Like Roy Lee has to win. So you know what?

I'm just going to [ __ ] be [ __ ] I'm going to be a [ __ ] I'm going to be a [ __ ] online and I'm going to have to win. And then I'm going to I'm obviously capable of winning.

But if I have like, you know, like the one thing I don't understand about people like Elon who like work super hard, like super smart and like, you know, Elon's done. He's got like compounds. He's got like, you know, tons of children he could spend all day all day with.

Like he's got all the toys he could possibly want to play with. All the engineers he could talk to. Like if I was him, I would just like goof around with fun toys. But like he's actually trying to get to Mars. Like you know, like he I feel like I feel like sometimes it's like some I think about being Elon.

I could never be him because I would give up at 20 mil. I'll be like, "All right, I'm done, dude. " Like, "This is me. Like, I did my part. Like, I'm going to chill with my zeroturn tractor and my twoacre lawn. " Um, so got to know what you want. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Right.

So, but like I think that's what happens to a lot of founders. They get enough money. Like Palmer Lucky. Palmer Lucky. It was like a chip on his shoulder. He was like, he was like, "Fucking Jason Cal. I'm going to [ __ ] get that guy. Like, I'm so pissed. I'm going to do it again. " And he did it again.

He 100% did it again. Um, by the way, I love Jason. I love Jason. I love Paul. I love both of them. I'm And you know what? Jason is like the it's like it's like you can't have Batman without the Joker, right? You can't have Palmer Lucky without Jason. He's the Joker of tech. Okay. Never joker.

He's the Joker for Palmer Lucky. For me, the Joker would be the middle manager who I pissed off by complaining about Android bugs. Uh never mind. Okay. We're getting into the story. We're learning what actually happened. We're unraveling it. I never said anything about my Don't worry. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah.

What's next? Yeah. I mean, yeah. So, what's what's next? All in on Dingboard. building out the team. Okay, so Dingboard is doing great. I'm going to, you know, keep on growing it and like try to get more money because I need some land. And here's why I need some land. I've been building things. Mhm. This is the Dingbot.

The Dingbot. The Dingbot. See this? What does it do? I I 3D printed this. What does it do? Um, this this is an ARM ESP32 attached to a a motor driver attached to a stepper driver. Sorry, sorry, stepper motor. Some 3D printed things that I made with Dinkcad, by the way, dinkad. com.

It's currently down because I had no time to to work on it, but I have like a local host version. Dad is coming back breaking news. Popsicle sticks. No offense. Oh, here's here's the genius of it. Okay. It is. I need cash flow.

You know, hardware is hard cuz you buy an iPhone and like you have an iPhone, it's like good for like 30 years, right? Yep. But with popsicle stick robots, they'll break in a month. You have to buy a new one. There we go. There we go. Get him in the boardroom. And you know what it's like?

You have a Dobby the elf robot that's like cleaning the house and like you know it cost you 30 bucks and it makes a mistake. You just go in and just [ __ ] eat it. You like kick it across the room because it's like 30 bucks. You can just buy another one. It's like it's like that's the feature you're not worried about.

You're not you're not worried about you know uh getting paperclipipped by abusing your Dobby robot. Uh because it'll come back to get you at some point. Oh no. You just program it to be happy that it gets kicked. You know it's like Dobby's like you know please you know please sir. You just program it, right?

Oh, this is like a solved problem, by the way. Like the No, we're not going to get run away. I think the real problem with like AI and stuff is like YouTube shorts. Have you seen these kids all like like I saw a kid like uh so uh he ate dinner so with my family. This kid was like at the uh trying to get to the bathroom.

He was 12 years old and he was on his YouTube shorts and he was like trying to like find the the doororknob like clicking like like not clicking around but like like reaching around.

uh was actually kind of kind of brutal, but like that I think that's like the real AI risk for what's worth like YouTube shorts specifically. So you're in retirement. Is there anything that could get you to come out of retirement? Could you There's nothing about retirement. I was coding yesterday million dollar offer.

I mean to get you back into a mega corporation is it going to take 80 million 100 million$1 120 million? What gets you to take the job for? I think I probably like find it really hard to say no to like 2. 5 probably like but I I don't think like the companies I would work for have that kind of liquidity hanging out.

I mean they do. Well, what are those kind of companies? What are those kind of companies? We can run a process big tech. So I know you don't want to work there, but there has to be a number. What's the number? All right, I'm going to just start doing an auction here. I Okay, I got a message for 500. 500. Do I have 600?

600. All right, 700. our our our internal goal was to get you hired on this stream or at least get you to raise 15 million with 5 million in secondary. I I could raise really money like super easily and like I could also get a job super easy.

I mean I have friends I the thing is like I'm a very honest hard worker like the places I've worked at I could I could go back like I have like a really strong network so I don't really need a job and I mean I'm not worried about getting a job but if I wanted to join in terms like for me mission alignment is super important like I really need to like use the product to actually enjoy it.

So, I sold some Dingboard t-shirts on Shopify and I'm like aligned with like Toby's awesome. Um, and then Coher, I think, is like a really interesting place to work for because they're on the comeup, but mostly like I mean, he's in Canada. Hold on. Hold on. Uh, yeah, break down Coher.

That that is not the common narrative. I mean, I love Aiden and I I I think it's incredible founder, but but but it does seem like, you know, there's got to be some sort of like geopolitical strategy there for that company to really play out. I think I just think they're base, dude. Like I just Yeah. Just [ __ ] based.

Yeah. So it's just pure pure culture. They'll figure it out. I mean like you know like it's it's it's a lot closer than Palo Alto or like California or Canada. And I think they're [ __ ] cool. Like they kind of they need a poster in residence. You could basically you could thousandx their their their impression.

Do you listen to death grips? Uh yeah. Yeah. It goes it goes it goes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz cuz Aiden's a big death grips guy. So that just bumps coher on top of Shopify. Yep. Yep. Yep. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. He did a he did an interview in a Death Grips t-shirt. I saw it and I was like, "That's amazing. This guy's a killer.

" But what what's what's wrong with just becoming a full-time poster, getting a Substack set up, getting a nice uh I think I'm going to try to become like an actual billionaire. The Dingbot thing is not a joke. I'm actually going to actually do it. And um I'm not going to race. I think I can do it.

I probably can find people to to do this for. There's a lot of things I'm really interested on the way which is like uh doing like reinforcement learning for like uh control of robots, certain types of robots.

Um uh I think I figured something out after listening to a popular lucky podcast about don't solve for things in hardware when you can solve them for them in software and I'm pretty good at software and I'm sure hardware isn't that hard.

Clearly it's not hard enough to start it's easy actually you you proved with that that it's easy. Yeah. Explain that with the uh reinforcement learning for robotics. Are you thinking like you're going to do stuff in simulation and then transfer the the knowledge back with reinforcement learning?

Are you doing the thing that uh Dylan Patel was posting about with like the robots on the, you know, on the harnesses trying to walk and then reusing that as reinforcement learning data? Like what what are you actually thinking in terms of reinforcement? So, I don't think like humanoid robots is what I would do.

I think I would do robots for things that annoy me. For example, dandelions on my lawn and I would do whatever is possible. Like talk I I have a pretty good solid network.

like talk to some of the guys from ETH Zurich Zurich I don't know how to pronounce it and just be like hey like just give me feed me the papers and like some shitty Python code I'll clean up and make good um sorry researchers you got this is extremely Matt Freriedman code coded he's out of the game someone's got to build the robot that picks up the exactly exactly what N cuz it's like I'm [ __ ] sick of like going outside and just you know just like poking out all these dandel I'm I'm absolutely so sick and tired of it and it's so easy to build this it's like literally 3D printer like you You even 3D print the wheels.

Like you can get like five bucks off of AliExpress and ESP32 costs like three bucks. I just impulse buy them. I like get my X ad revenue payout and I just like spend the whole thing on AliExpress. My my my house like constantly has like these random AliExpress packages.

I just like maybe build like a Minecraft sorting system in real life. Like Yeah. I feel like I feel like if you could build it, you could sell it at Home Depot for like 300 bucks, you know, kind of new. I could also sell it for 25 bucks on subscription and you get a new one every month. Oh, there you go. Yeah.

people are taking their dobies. It's like if it breaks, it's like I literally will tell the users, "Hey, I'm just, you know, a dude in and uh there's a CNC shop here uh that does wood. " Uh so like they do wood CNC.

So I'm going to make the robot chassis out of out of maple wood because there's a lot of maple here in Ottawa. And I'm going to laser, you know, laser on like made in Ottawa on it.

Um except, you know, modulo the the motors inside that will be made in China until I figure out how to make motors, which shouldn't be that hard.

Um, but I guess like the the the core insight I have after doing Dingboard and like honestly working for a lot of these big tech companies is like there's a lot of little businesses on the way to something. Like I'm going to try to do this.

I'm going to realize like holy [ __ ] like all the CAD software [ __ ] sucks and I'm going to build it because I can and like you know with Gemini 2. 5 Pro just like ripping on my credit card. What about Grock? Uh Gemini 2.

5 Pro is the best model to use for coding if you write your own coding frameworks because it's cheaper. uh is faster and it's good enough. Like I'm not like giving all of my work away to I don't need a PhD level intelligence because I'm not a PhD level guy. I'm trying to write React.

Like it's not that hard to write React. I need a model that can listen to me and understand what I mean and kind of like doesn't avoid using too many if statements. Stop. Just stop using if if statements and like Yeah. Yeah. So Okay. Okay. So, but but here's the thing. You need you want to build a bunch of stuff.

You need some cash flow. Why not set up why not set up, you know, some type of subscription? And you have a lot of payouts. A lot of people want to give you $10 a month so you can have fun. Honestly, that was the dingboard subscription that I signed up for. It was like support this guy who's doing something cool. Yeah.

The issue is Dingboard is so hard to sign up for. How do I even sign up for Dingboard right now? Go to dingboard. com. Okay. I never Okay, first of all, Jordy, never doubt my conversion levels ever again. I am a conversion I can convert anything to anything. I am I am I am a conversion god. Okay, go to dingboard. com.

I'm Wait, you're so good. You're so good. You don't have a buy button cuz you want to inspire yourself to grind harder. Go to dingboard. com. Okay, I'm here. I'm here. Sign in first. Do I have to sign in? I don't even have to tell you what to do. Legend. Legend. All right, I'm signing in. I'm signing in. Okay, I'm here.

What do I Dingcribe? There we go. Once you're want to know what dingscribe even means, you should not dingcribe. $12. 99 per month. You got to get your numbers up, dude. Dude, I don't actually don't have the code. It's like on my server. No, you got to do what Google does.

It's 500 a month, but they give you six months at half price and then it just auto converts up. Yeah, that's the that's the real ticket. Or I could double the price. Yeah. Yeah. But the price should be, you know, cheap on day one and they just get more and more. It should go up by 10% every month. [ __ ] dude.

I'm not doing that, man. That's some YouTube shorts kid some kids brain [ __ ] like that. All right. I I'm a ding proc. No, dude. You're a ding. You have to get that. Dude, Jordy, never get that wrong again. You're a Ding Scriber. Ding. Ding. You're part of the crew. You're part of the crew. I'm Dingaxing. Okay.

Talk about the rest of your stack. Gemini 2. 5 Pro. Are you cursor guy? GitHub copilot cursor. What do you never say? I'm okay. I have a custom framework I've written for Neoim. So, basically what it is is I have a server that creates a facade for all the LLMs that I have.

So, uh Claude and before Gemini was good, Claude and Open AI's models, um they'd go down all the time. like the infrastructure is hard to serve at scale like I don't blame them. It's like that's a hard problem to solve.

Uh so I have like always I always have a model available like even if both of them are down like I can hit deepsek over open router right like it's a facade can you do that in cursor by just switching the model router switching what was there a hotkey so for me it's like I have a weird I mean let me let me let me flex on you guys a bit.

So this is my keyboard flex away there we go nice by the way. Yeah, I got a I got a homie from from China built to make it for me. Um, and uh, so basically space space uh, what was it? Space I don't even remember. It's all space I is uh, LM provider. So that's a Gemini 2. 5 Pro. Okay. Space K is Gemini Flash.

And it all renders in a single markdown file. Okay. And I've created commands for these models. So basically like depending on the fence. So three uh, three apostrophes and then there's going to be the command name. So like edit file. Yeah.

It can I can give basically give it a syntax to edit a file for me and then I actually manually is this open source like you know people do files up like like can I install your your setup?

Uh so uh no it's not open source mostly because people are going to start posting issues and I'm just not interested in fixing them. So I'm just going to do it for myself. I'm like I'm pulling up the ladder behind me. Like I'm you know I know how much this is open source. You got a raise for it.

It sounds like we got ourselves a real cursor competitor here. Uh, it is a cursor competitor and it's probably going to kill cursor if I open source it, but I'm not going to sell it for money.

I think what's going to naturally happen is like when people see me do use it, they're going to have ideas of their own and then they're going to build it for themselves. Okay. Like the the whole point of so it's a neoim plugin kind of it's like also a server and it plugs into a bunch of I'm I'm good at software.

Um, so uh part of the part of the problems with uh uh so Neoim like is great because the software is configurable as a feature. Yeah. So like the the best software you can get is like software you can read and understand and you can actually change.

The best software for you is software you've written yourself because if something annoys you, you can actually go change it. And that's why I really like to like write my own frameworks. Cursor I'm sure is a great product, but I like I'm just so particular about certain things.

Like for example like I want to like implement um uh trees across multiple files and automate adding files to my context. So I have a I have a file which has a bunch of file paths and those get added to my context based on the workspace that I'm in.

And I manage it manually by like literally going to the file and deleting the lines. And um what I want is to automatically create an a so an abstract syntax tree um to be able to jump around with an LLM or like train a model to actually go through the a. And this is all super obvious to me. It's like [ __ ] man.

Like what about uh you're going to make any products in the parenting space? Uh yeah. So actually I have an idea. I had an idea. So I I use an e-ink display. Um, by the way, before you try to hack this, uh, I never update the software and I never write anything private on it.

So, go it's it's I'm I'm just I'm going to put it public. Um, so I have an e- in reader uh slash like tablet.

And what I wanted to make is to teach my kid to write uh instead of texting him, uh, I want to make like a kind of like a radio e ink display, kind of like an etching sketch, which you can write on, but it's synced to your parents etching sketch.

So, my wife will have one, I will have one, and my kid will have one, and he'll learn how to write because we'll write to each other over over distances, right? I think that's like a really cool idea. So, I'm probably going to build that. Um, if you wanted to make like a gajillion dollars, it's so easy.

Just look around and like come up with good ideas and actually just believe that you can do it. Like, literally just go do it. Like, it's not that hard. It's actually not. Get a 3D printer, watch some YouTube videos. YouTube is great products.

I would love it if they stopped putting shorts because there's so many great videos where you can learn. Stop with the shorts. Stop. Get ready. This is going to be a YouTube short. We're going to edit this. Yeah, exactly. This will be on TikTok, maybe. Yeah, exactly. Minecraft. Yeah.

Minecraft speedrun and surfers over you. Anything. AI slob. How many kids do you want to have? Uh, so as much as God allows us to have. Uh, so just leaving it up to God. And uh, yeah, that's how many kids. Good answer. That's great. What else? What else do you have to say to the people while you're here?

Uh, thanks for doing your this podcast, guys. I know how hard I know how hard it is to run a podcast and all the tech behind it. Uh let's just say that. And like uh the doing live and stuff like it's it's a pain in the ass. Uh so keep it up guys. I know like Thank you.

And and and the the the live the live uh the video team at X are like generational talents like super super good people like so like just like find someone to like like find a way to reach out to them so when you have any issues and like actually talk. Yeah.

I didn't fully realize that you were the bug guy until you posted over the last few days. Otherwise, we would have been hammering you with messages every single day. But this has been great. Come come back on whenever you want to talk about your project. I'd love to just hang out and chat. Yeah, thanks.

I really appreciate you guys. And uh yeah, so keep it up. Thanks. We're we're excited and and I'm excited to be ding maxing. Just offer offer a premium tier like I don't know like 10 grand a month or something like that and maybe we become, you know. Oh, I mean if you guys want an ad space, I'll sell you right now.

Like spit handshake. If you want to put an ad on Dingboard, your podcast, I'll uh let's say 12 grand. 12 grand. Okay. We'll talk to our We'll talk to our CFO. All right. All right. All right. Our CFO our CFO will talk to your CFO. But but but can we get the semi analysis deal where it's perpetual?

It's 12 grand once and we get it forever because what if you is it a one time or it's a great option. There's a lot of upside here. It depends on how good your your podcast is. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, we're going to keep working on it.

Hopefully, Dingboard keeps growing for the next decade and we can be massive together. Yeah, absolutely. We're excited to follow. Awesome. We'll talk to you soon. Godspeed. Have a good one. Bye. Uh, next up, we have to talk to you about Wander. Find your happy place. Find your happy place.

Book a wander with inspiring views, hotel, great amenities, dreamy beds, top tier cleaning, and a 24/7 concier. Should get a wander. He should. He's going to be traveling around interviewing at all the top companies. Wander would be a great choice for him. Um, we have had a great show.

We were gonna play you a uh an interview that we did earlier today with Shervin Pishavar, but there are some security issues unfortunately and so we're working to potentially blur the background and we will get you that interview as soon as we possibly can.

But security uh all it it comes first and so um we uh we'll we'll obviously relay some of the key takeaways. And honestly, it's such a developing story. I feel like already the story has moved and we should just have him back on uh again soon uh from a more secure location and make sure that everything is above board.

Um but thank you so much for watching. We had a lot of fun in and we will talk to you tomorrow. Have a great day.