Interview

Darren Rovell on the $13M Kobe-LeBron card and the collectibles market on fire

Aug 25, 2025 with Darren Rovell

Key Points

  • A 2003 Upper Deck Kobe-LeBron dual-signed card sold for $13 million to Secure Collectibles, surpassing the Honus Wagner and Mickey Mantle as the highest-priced card ever.
  • Fanatics controls MLB through Topps, is taking over NBA rights, and preparing to assume NFL rights, giving it near-monopoly power in licensed collectibles.
  • Live commerce platforms like Whatnot are displacing eBay by gamifying card breaking, while true one-of-one collectibles like graded tickets trade in illiquid but stable markets requiring only two buyers.
Darren Rovell on the $13M Kobe-LeBron card and the collectibles market on fire

Summary

A 2003 Upper Deck Exquisite logoman card dual-signed by Kobe Bryant and LeBron James sold for $13 million, surpassing both the Honus Wagner T206 and the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle as the highest-priced card by transaction value. The buyer is Secure Collectibles, a fund launched by Kevin O'Leary and Matt Allen specifically targeting modern high-grade cards — a structural shift from legacy funds that focused on vintage material.

Darren Rovell, who runs collectibles media and advisory firm Collect and personally manages a $15 million collection, frames the sale as a signal of where institutional money is moving, while remaining personally skeptical of manufactured scarcity. Upper Deck Exquisite logoman cards, which originally sold for $35,000 to $100,000 at launch in 2003, have become routine seven-figure assets over the past five years. The Kobe-LeBron card would likely have fetched around $5 million two years ago.

For context on vintage comparables: a PSA 8 Mantle trades roughly twice a year; a PSA 10 — only three exist — hasn't changed hands in a decade and would likely require $40 million to move. The 60 known Honus Wagner T206s trade approximately once annually.

Live Commerce and the Gamification of Collecting

The dominant structural shift in the market is live commerce, where platforms like Whatnot are outpacing eBay Live. The driving mechanic is "breaking" — buyers purchase team slots in live box openings, a format Rovell explicitly compares to gambling and one that is drawing regulatory scrutiny from state attorneys general.

Courtyard, a digital repack platform, generated $60 million in revenue by letting buyers open pre-scanned card packs virtually, then sell unwanted cards back at 80 cents on the dollar. The margin holds because collectors benchmark against zero-sum gambling losses, not retail pricing.

Rovell's 11-year-old son discards any card without a serial number or foil variant — a behavioral data point that illustrates how the next generation of collectors has been conditioned to treat scarcity signals as the primary value driver.

Fanatics' Market Position

Fanatics controls the licensing rights for MLB through Topps, is taking over NBA rights, and is preparing to assume NFL rights as well. It also operates Fanatics Live for breaking and Fanatics Collect as an auction house. Rovell characterizes the combined position as approaching or meeting the definition of monopoly power in the licensed collectibles space.

Grading as Infrastructure

PSA's population reports — precise counts of graded copies at each grade level — are the backbone of price discovery and investor confidence. Rovell applies the same logic to question Labubu mystery boxes: without live population tracking of how many have been opened and what grades they'd receive, the investment thesis is difficult to underwrite beyond pure speculation.

PSA recently began grading magazines, opening a new sub-category. Rovell's personal focus within that vertical is Hollywood debut covers — the first magazine appearance of a given celebrity — treating them as true one-of-ones distinct from manufactured scarcity.

Tickets, Music, and the One-of-One Thesis

Rovell built a position in graded tickets before PSA publicly announced the category, buying quietly and disclosing his thesis publicly roughly a year later. Notable exits include Tiger Woods' first PGA Tour event ticket, acquired for $1,000 and sold for $77,000, and a Marilyn Monroe singing "Happy Birthday" to JFK ticket bought for $6,000 and sold for $105,000.

His broader argument is that true one-of-ones — items where no comparable exists anywhere — trade in illiquid but price-stable markets requiring only two motivated buyers rather than a broad audience. He cites an 1899 silver certificate from a Titanic victim's pocket as an example of an asset where illiquidity is a feature, not a bug.

In music collectibles, Rovell sees meaningful upside remaining in Billy Joel, Bon Jovi, Springsteen, and Madonna material, arguing the market is still early relative to those artists' cultural permanence. He holds the only two known tickets from Billy Joel's first Madison Square Garden concert.

Blockchain vs. NFTs

Rovell separates blockchain infrastructure from the NFT market, arguing that bad actors discredited a genuinely useful technology. Blockchain's core utility in collectibles — frictionless transfer, counterfeit resistance, transparent provenance — remains intact as a thesis. The NFT market itself he largely dismisses as dominated by grift, though he notes companies like Pudgy Penguins have partially rehabilitated the model by pivoting toward physical licensed products.

Consulting: Bespoke Collectibles for Teams and Leagues

Collect's advisory practice works white-label for sports properties. A recent project with the Washington Capitals involved collecting 125 gallons of ice shavings from the Zamboni after Alexander Ovechkin's record-breaking 895th NHL goal, packaging them in cherry wood boxes resembling mini rinks, and including shavings from the gold stick Ovechkin received from the league. Retail price is approximately $1,500 per unit.