Baiju Bhatt left Robinhood to build a space-based solar power grid — first satellites launch this summer

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I don't know. Maybe there's a a lobbying group. Maybe there's a union. Maybe it's just the way people like it. Big sketch, big pencil, big colored pencil.

Uh well, we have our next guest. [music] Welcome to the stream, how are you?

How are you,

gentlemen? How are you doing?

Oh, you gave us a preview of the wrist check. What's on the wrist today?

Oh, yeah. I I figured this was going to happen. [laughter] Um,

the liquid FP on today.

Whoa. There we go. That is beautiful. Fantastic. And what's behind you?

The T30.

T30. Very nice. And what's behind you? The liquid nitrogen. You're doing serious business.

Yeah, I got a I got a few tanks of liquid nitrogen behind me, which uh were actually like making a ton of ruckus a couple of minutes ago.

Oh, really? And [laughter] I'm I'm I'm glad they're not anymore. Yeah, they were like hissing and making all kinds of noise.

So So you're you're fully funded. You have a lab, you have a team, you're building. What are you building? What's the first product? And then I'm sure I'd love to go into the far future, talk about data centers in space. And then I also want to go back and talk about your career at Robin Hood since this is the first time on the show.

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's been a long time coming. It has. So yeah, what are we what are we doing here? So start out by telling you guys about Aether Flex.

Yeah. The mission of the company is to build a power grid in space. And the core idea behind this

when I started it a little less than two years ago now was that collecting electrical power or collecting power in orbit was this like really special and important energy source that had not really been thought of as such.

And the reason is because if you place things in the right orbits, they're going to be illuminated by the sun. The solar panels are nearly continuously.

This is sunny, right? We learned this term yesterday, Scott Nolan. sunsync

or the more specific one is called Dawn Dusk orbit

which is also sometimes called the Terminator orbit.

Oh, Terminator Orbit. I like that. We were talking about Terminator 2 earlier on the show.

Terminator orbit.

The Terminator orbit sounds like the one I want to be in. Uh so what yeah, what is special about the Terminator orbit and then how does that uh lead into the whole strategy for the business?

The thing that's cool about it is is that it's always facing the sun or nearly always facing the sun. So [clears throat] if if this is the Earth, right, and and the camera is the sun, then it sort of follows this orbit,

if that makes sense. So it's kind of passing over sunrise and passing over sunset always.

Oh, okay. Okay. Got it.

Yeah. And the benefit of this is is if you take a solar panel, which is the cheapest form of energy as we know it today on Earth,

problem is it's not terribly useful because it's very intermittent. it produces peak power for an hour or two in the middle of the day. If you take those same or very similar panels and you put them in orbit, they're going to be producing power 247 at nearly peak power.

So, you just get so much more energy production out of effectively the same panels.

And also, lower Earth orbit is actually kind of an interesting place to build electronics applications. So I started the company out with the goal of making energy and space a commercial business. And a little bit more on that. Um the idea was that the reason space isn't a bigger part of people's lives dayto-day is because it's like for for the large part of history been mostly a government thing, right? Where is in one shape or form funded by the government or there's government pricing that kind of drives what the activity there is. But if you can find new ways for people to actually make money doing it,

then you'll attract more young people to want to pursue those careers and you'll just make space a more commercially relevant part of day-to-day life.

So if the applications of space today are like earth imaging, telecommunications, defense, and internet,

what's that next thing? And my thesis was that energy would be the next thing. Mhm.

A little analogy to uh the past company that I I started.

Yeah.

Uh um the core idea when we started Robin Hood was that if you thought of mobile as a platform

is like back in 2012 2013 era then the applications that were built on top of it were like photo sharing maps,

email ma you know like they were mostly digital services like that. And the thesis that we had was that the next industry to sort of natively exist on this platform was going to be financial services. And that's Robin Hood.

And the idea here is is that low Earth orbit is a platform. Yeah.

And that energy is the next vertical of the economy that's going to natively exist there.

So

yeah, how much of the energy do you think will stay in space just be routed around? Obviously, there's new narratives about what you can do in space with data centers and whatnot, but uh versus uh beam the the energy collected on the solar panel down to Earth uh via a laser, something like that. I've seen uh there's reflect orbital that's just doing mirrors. There's a whole bunch of people that have said, "Hey, there's cheap and abundant solar up there 247 in these orbits. Let's get it down to Earth." Where how are you thinking about where the power should be used?

Yeah. Well, I think our our view on it is is we want to have electrical power in orbit and you can use that for two applications. Yeah.

You can kind of think of the two applications that we're building

as almost like appliances that you plug into this new fangled energy grid.

Mhm.

And the first one is actually getting they're doing sub subco component assembly like right next to me right over there.

Yeah.

So behind this uh this this container is our clean room which kind of goes on for a long ways back there. where the first satellite that's going to space is hanging out right now.

Um, so that first thing is basically the appliance that plugs into the energy grid

and then beams power down to places where there's no power grid.

So the use for this is going to be places like

DoD applications, excuse me, excuse me, Department of War.

Yeah, Department of War

applications.

DOW.

Yeah. where there's no energy grid where you can basically provide um resilient useful power

where there's a contested environment and [clears throat] stuff like that.

Yeah.

The other application is is rather than beaming the power down to the ground and doing things like powering artificial intelligence data centers, the more natural thing to do is cut out all those energy losses and take the chips and put them directly in orbit.

Yep.

Because they don't actually,

in the grand scheme of things, they're not the things that are the heaviest part of this.

Yeah. So that's the galactic brain and that's actually where a lot of our efforts are right now.

Yeah, that's exciting. Um I remember when we first talked about this like years ago, uh thinking, you know, the natural reaction was going to be, oh, what does this finance guy know about space? If there, you know, if there's like the math is so important and if you get one number wrong in the spreadsheet, maybe the the economics don't work and it's 10 years out instead of two years out. Uh but of course you have a you have a math background, so I know you did the math. Matthew, I know you crunched the numbers, but I'm interested to know how did you actually crunch the numbers to understand that now is the right time with the amount of funding you're going to bring in to the orbital launch costs to the value of what you're doing up there to the materials, how much a solar panel costs. There's all these different variables. They all have to synthesize into something that eventually makes profit within somewhat of a venture timeline, I imagine. What was the actual process? Were you talking to a team? Were you in an Excel sheet? Were you just asking an LLM to sort it out for you? Like, how did you do the back of the envelope to know that now is the right time that the economics can actually make sense on a reasonable timeline?

Well, I did what any rationally minded person would do is I made a big old spreadsheet.

There we go. [laughter] Here for spreadsheets.

I love it. In all, in all seriousness though, um like I I kind of make this joke with people sometimes is when I started doing this, for all intents and purposes, I was a finance bro.

Yeah.

You could make the argument that was arguably perhaps the archetype of the finance bro in some ways.

Yeah.

Um but in in all seriousness, like I you know, I was approaching this as a novice, as a student of the field.

Sure. And the cool thing about this is is that artificial intelligence has made the learning curve dramatically dramatically, you know, easier to cross

because the hardest thing about physics I remember cuz I studied physics and math in college was you sometimes get like a textbook and you're trying to like learn a new subject, you end up sometimes just getting stuck in the first chapter of it because you don't know the formalism. like you're you have to you in order to learn these things you have to learn them in the language that they're written

obviously.

Yeah.

But the difference is now you can just ask questions as you understand them and you know artificial intelligence will kind of meet you there. So it's been a huge accelerate in learning

sort of the ins and outs of doing it. But beyond that look we're a team of like 30 people. We've got um optics experts. We've got folks from JPL. We've got folks from SpaceX. We've got folks from uh the uh what's it called? Lawrence Livermore National Lab.

So, we've done pretty deep foundational work in understanding kind of how all the components work together, what the economics of them are, asking questions like [clears throat and cough] what is the raw cost of this, right? what is the cost to buy a component versus what's the cost to manufacture it from raw ingredients, you know, and if you see the delta in any one of these things being too big, you kind of know you have to ask question why.

Yeah.

Um, but to kind of answer the question that you started out with, right? The goal from the beginning was how do we down cost this down? How do we make this as close to the sort of theoretical minimum cost? And if we do that, does this make sense? Does this make sense at bigger scale? And I think that there's a path to doing that,

you know, but the cool thing about it is the path starts with actually showing that you can do this.

So, and by the way, you guys should come out when we do this.

So, we're going to have a demonstration this summer. Um, ideally, because we have two satellites going up that are actually going to beam power down from space.

Wow. So, we're going to have a something between a scientific conference and like a mini Burning Man [laughter] in the desert. Uh where we'll where we'll show what this looks like in real life.

Yeah, that's that's remarkable speed. I feel like uh the modern space company uh VA did a little bit of this where it's like if you're going to be taken seriously as a space company, you got to get up into space quickly. start get up there, get the experience, do something, iterate, start the process instead of, you know, 10 years of, oh yeah, we're going to go one day, but it's got to be the perfect system. Uh, you know, Vardo went up and back and I think there were a whole bunch of chaos that happened in space, but they learned a lot and it obviously improved the second, third, and then already the Varta launches have become kind of old news. Oh yeah, I guess they're up and back again. That happened and it just becomes part of the business. So, uh, I I love that you're moving so quickly there. uh talk to me about

those guys were inspirational for me in that regard. [clears throat] Like I talked to I talked to Will Buy a ton um in the early days.

I once called him my space sherpa.

Uh

and I think for that exact reason I think they went from concept to real thing in space. Doesn't have to be perfect. Doesn't have to be the exact version of the thing that you're going to be doing forever and ever.

Yep.

But like you're much better off just demonstrating it.

Yep. in year one, year two, year three rather than waiting 10 years because the odds that the thing doesn't work are still pretty high. Yeah.

You might as well get it out of the way early.

Yeah. You got to blow some stuff up if you're working in the aerospace industry broadly.

Yeah. You got to be comfortable make you got to be comfortable like having stuff not work and iterating from there, right?

Yeah. Yeah.

What uh what kind of weird groups are coming out of the woodwork to try to help uh try to get you guys to help them do data center stuff in space? because there's a lot of different types of groups that seem like they have an incentive to just do something like a space data center just to just for narrative purposes, right? I mean, this whole thing kind of like heated up because

uh you had a handful of SpaceX investors really start to get uh excited about it. Uh but I imagine you've got some kind of strange pitches because like you guys are working on this problem broadly and people are like, "Hey, do you have power? I want to put some chips up."

Yeah, we're cooking some stuff. Stay tuned on that. We got some we got some good stuff we're cooking up. Um I will say though, I think the credit for this goes to Bezos who was looking just like very professorial in that talk that he gave last fall where he was like data centers in space might happen in the 2030s and then just everybody in the world was like no we're actually going to do this in the next 5 years.

Yeah. Um, I will say though that there is something kind of interesting to this point, which is that I think a lot of people in the space industry see this data centers in space concept as one of the first novel ways to make money in space in kind of a long time. I would say in in about a decade. And

I think that that that's an important point and like one to kind of pause on for a second because the reason space isn't a bigger part of our lives is because we haven't really figured out how to like justify people working on it in mass numbers in my opinion.

Yeah. And and Starlink has been a big a big part of uh

Starlink I feel like is the best example of like hey if you just build the capability of going up and down a lot then you can build a lot of other capabilities telecom being one of them. Uh one thing I'm curious about is how how has it been like building and running this company versus Robin Hood? You've sort of like done the meme of like make your money in finance and then work on the thing that like you really want to work on. Uh, of course, uh, I'm sure you really wanted to work on, uh, on Robin Hood as well, but, uh, is it like, you know, at the same time, like you have, uh, so much to prove, right? Like you needed, you want to you want to, uh, do something at Robin Hood scale or bigger, right, which is a high bar. Uh but then at the same time there's maybe more I would hope like some element of like even just like calmness because you're like uh it's not so existential as I feel like early companies are where it's like I need to I just need to like I need to make something in this world.

Yeah.

Yeah. A couple of thoughts on this. You kind of kind of hit the nail on the head. This is something I think about pretty often cuz at the on the one hand starting companies and doing things at early stages when they're not really figured out is kind of my happy place. So I do like that a lot. At the same time it's like kind of a brutal reminder of like when you're in the early ages of starting something, it's actually pretty damn hard because [snorts] you have all the problems of like a small company in my case all over again, right? where you've got like you've got an you know a function within your organization where there's like one person working right and that person for whatever reason leaves

right and then you're like well got to rebuild that thing from scratch and so there's like a lot of those kinds of growing pains where you're like

there's nobody here that's doing that I got to go out and hire a recruiter and then that person has to go out and recruit the person that's going to do the thing. So, [clears throat] in many ways, it's like um it's really hard.

Yeah,

I guess that's what I'm trying to say is like it's a reminder that starting companies is actually not that easy.

Yeah, you get you get better, but it doesn't actually get easier because then you if it's easier, it just means you need to be doing more and more and more and more and and pushing yourself even even further.

I also did um do something that I didn't have

a ton of professional experience in, which was kind of the point, [clears throat] right? I wanted to do something that was net new because it was intellectually very interesting for me, but at the same time, and not to throw shade at anybody out there that's building an enterprise SAS company, right? Like that's this is like new company on absolute hard mode. Um,

yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, like there just is the reality that in enterprise software, uh, you can get a customer to pay you pretty quickly if you build something that works. in in hard tech and anything that requires government approval or real science and R&D like the money is just going to be further down the road and so that's going to require more risk. That's just a fact.

When people talk about progress in space or really any human domain, there's this general sentiment that okay this thing this thing that we want to do is really hard but uh robots will be able to do it in like a few years. So, uh, and and, uh, you're you're looking a little concerned, which is why I wanted to ask, [laughter] what about the process so far? I'm sure you've been pitched by various robotics companies that want to help uh, speed up processes internally or or help with the work that you're doing. Is there anything that that's really adding a lot of value today? Uh, and

there's not a lot of robotics going on here.

No, this is like

that's what I figured. like

just fire up the welder.

It's not to say It's not to say that that's not going to happen. By the way, there is a welder I think either in the corner or it got moved back to my garage.

Have you picked up any new skills? Can you use a blowtorrch now or are you are you learning this stuff or I mean I imagine you have a team but every once in a while you know you want to take the you want to take the crane for a spin.

Sometimes you got to do it yourself.

Exactly.

Yeah. I mean I'm I'm really good at opening boxes.

Okay, [laughter] there you go. That's good. Now,

I joke around with the team about this sometimes. I'm like, "Yeah, I left

a software company to start a hardware company, but somehow I ended up with a job that's emails and spreadsheets."

Yeah. Yeah, of course. Of course.

Um,

exactly.

No, but it is fun because I do get to

I mean, my background is in physics, so I get to think about the actual physics of it pretty often, but we have

a team of people that's actually doing assembly and doing a lot of the hardware design.

Um, but I get to live vicariously through them. Yeah.

Um,

and I can't I can't show you this right now, but literally there is assembly happening

like on and off. You'll see people walking behind me.

Um, they're like carrying boxes and stuff in there. Yeah.

For for the first satellite that goes up.

Yeah. Uh, when we watch tours of Abene, Texas, and see data centers, there are a lot of people buzzing around. It feels like uh you know even if you just get an offtheshelf like NVL72 Nvidia rack uh there's people that are maybe doing wiring or dealing with uh cooling issues or a variety of things a chip that's you know died and you need to replace it that all feels really hard to do in space. Uh I heard one pitch that uh was sort of making the case that wafer scale compute could be more popular in space because you want the entire model on one chip that's just in one satellite. You don't want to put a NVL72 up into space or whole rack. You're just going to have more problems uh in space. And so it's going to live on one sort of complete system. We asked the CEO of Cerebras if this was in his forecast and he said no I'm not really interested in in the next three to five years and then he went and did a $10 billion deal with open AI. So uh he he kind of denied that that was on the road map but what do you think the shape of like the compute workload or the compute hardware that you will eventually put into space or or any company would put into space. What what will be the norms? what will be the you know the the the full like we we have uh we very much coalesed around like one rack and AMD and Nvidia they all work within rack scale architectures what will be the equivalent on a satellite bus that is compatible with a starship or a SpaceX rocket uh like what will the shape of the compute stack be in space

yeah the way that I think about it is in terms of the workloads and the energy draw or workloads and

there's versions of this in the future that are more ambitious right where you say we'll get to much much bigger scale integrated power levels per satellite

but I think the from my perspective the right starting point is to say what can you do right now in terms of satellite size power envelope per satellite and can you solve meaningful problems with that right because if you're trying to do something brand new like this you want You want to you want to sort of like you want to have a conscious approach to how you take on risk,

technical risk more specifically. And if your idea is predicated on making something that's like, you know, the size of 10 football fields on day one, you might want to see if there's a way to do it much smaller at like satellite sizes that are common place. So the the thought process is is that we'll start out in the next 18 or next 12 to 18 months or so with demonstration missions

culminating in a firstofits-kind satellite from us that has [clears throat] let's say the 10 to 20 kilowatt electrical power draw that powers a set of 8 to 10 interconnected GPUs that can host a model and do inference on it. So inference I think is the primary initial use case for this. There's the idea of like could you do um training with this or could you do stuff that requires massive interconnectivity

and it's possible I think I think the orbital mechanics of it might be challenging if you're trying to connect 100,000 GPUs together.

Yeah. But you don't want to start there because it's it's kind of interesting because we kind of ran into the same problem when we were working on um power beaming from space where the old versions of that concept called for

um one gigantic satellite

that would beam power down with microwaves and it a byproduct of the frequency of light and the aperture sizes that you would need. that thing called for like satellites that are like 1 to 5 kilometers in diameter, right? Like that's too much. Like if you if your demo mission is a kilometer wide satellite in space, let me give you a little hint. You're probably not going to get funded for that. Like there's there's probably not funding out there

to like spend a billion dollars on something that may or may not work for the first time. Mhm.

Um,

are you That's kind of Are you feeling any uh any push back yet or push back coming on the horizon around like space junk blotting out the sun? It it's annoying when I'm stargazing. Is that something we need to worry about? Is that something you should be worried about? Even if the worries are unfounded, you need to get out ahead of from a messaging perspective. like how a lot of the AI data centers probably should have been talking about recycling water a year ago. So that never became an issue. It did and then it got debunked, but uh it still was something that you know took over the news cycle for a few days at least.

No, I think it's a good point. So [clears throat] on space junk in general, I think a couple of things.

You have to look at space and realize that it's going to get commercialized

and that might happen this year. It might happen five years from now.

It might happen 10 years from now. But I think that there is an inevitability that as humans exhaust or really push the the boundaries on like the resources on planet Earth that we're going to look to space to do more stuff there.

So I think my starting point is there's going the civilization that we want to build has a massive footprint in orbit. And so the question is is how do you design these satellites and how do you design these mega constellations that are you know I hope in the next 10 years putting gigawatts or more power up so that actually works and doesn't create massive problems with things like the Kesler syndrome

and we think about that from the beginning. We think about the sort of component choices that we have to make sure that as we're de-orbiting them that they're made with components that can demise on re-entry. And there's a lot of work that's actually going into this already to make sure that you know there's this what's it called where you can basically disambiguate the space that your satellites are in. That being said, there is space junk out there. There's actually a lot of effort to sort of identify where it is, to track it, and to do orbital maneuvers to make sure that you can protect your spacecraft against it.

But again, like space is really big.

Yeah. Sorry, Gordy.

Uh, any plans to go to space yourself? Blue Origin. It's It's got to be a little bit weird like working on something. It's like working on like a restaurant, but you never actually go there, you know? Like,

Jared Isaacman's been he's really I feel I feel very confident with him at the helmet at NASA given that he's been to the the thing that he's in charge of. We got to get you up there. What's the plan?

He's a good dude. He seems very fit, too. He seems like he's like um seems like he's he's he was able to survive that and had the build for it. Um [laughter] I gotta tell you guys to be totally honest because he space. Yeah.

Oh, you think the space did the fitness for him? In that case, count me in.

It's a miracle [laughter] up there. That's funny.

Um one last question. Oh, yeah.

In all seriousness on this one,

um

can you imagine how upset your stomach would be in space? Like, can you imagine the pressure changes and like gh

[laughter]

You're going to

That's my reaction. We're going to let

leave the data centers there. Okay. Last question.

The data centers.

The the Chevy Corvette ZR1X just posted a 0 to 60 time of 1.68 seconds. It goes uh 1/4 mile time of 8.675 seconds. Can we call it a supercar? Is America back in the supercar game? What's your take on the ZR1X? I think I think so. Okay. But I'll I'll say this. Um

I don't think people give a [ __ ] about that.

Okay.

I think what people care about is is the car fun to drive. And what they should do is they should make that thing with a manual.

Oo.

I think that's

You guys know I love cars, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Of course.

That's a good take.

Yeah. Sort of a uh a Chevy Corvette ST would be the move. Something like that.

Yeah.

Yeah. The that Corvette's really cool. It's based on a or they it was like inspired by the 458 Ferrari.

Yeah. I mean, there's a lot to like about it. They set the the the speed record for American cars. I really like how they have the the Chevy executives driving it on the track, setting the records, the employees themselves. They don't just hire some. I think that's really cool. I mean, that's equivalent of like sending an Aetherflux employee to space, you know? It's like it's a little bit of a gimmick, but it just feels like oh, they really take it serious.

Yeah. I don't think it's a gimmick at all. It's like way cooler to be like one of their employees. Yeah. What you saying?

They want to do a gimmick. You know what would be a really good one? Put a manual in that thing.

There we go. Back to the manual. Yes. 100%. I completely agree.

Do you see uh any predictions around uh yeah, just just cars uh supercars with manual transmissions? It feels like there's certainly a lot of enthusiast interest, but it's it it feels like potentially one of those things where

uh the TAM is actually just like you take like people that will buy a supercar and then like people that will buy a manual supercar because you get into this you start running this calculation of like okay

uh I'm getting this car and then and then I'm on a hill in San Francisco. [laughter] Maybe I'm Sam Alman. I pull up on a hill and maybe I drive stick, but I'm in a $4 million car and it's [laughter] starting to slide back.

Sam Alvin stalls F1 on [laughter] on on Gary Street or something headlock.

So, but the the thing that I am bullish on is like more more analog controls in cars.

Uh, anybody that's owned a Ferrari loves the the how the buttons get all sticky.

[laughter]

I may or may not have been dealing with some sticky buttons this morning.

No, it's brutal.

Sticky. The sticky button thing is is truly so funny. They're like, "Yeah, like we made these and all after a few years, everything is going to feel like a kid was eating candy in the car." And if you want to replace it, it's going to be [laughter]

Yeah. You go to turn the volume knob and like the volume knob like comes off on your head and you're like, "This is disgusting." Um, [laughter]

I got to tell you guys, like

the fact that there are not too many manuals that are being made today, it it

like and I love cars.

It le it just takes people like me out of it, right? I'm just like

if you make a manual, I'm in. But otherwise,

there's plenty of cool old cars out there. Um

well one exciting one exciting thing that that I've been thinking about is I feel like

uh in 15 years from now it is not unreasonable to imagine that it is illegal to drive a car yourself on the roads like at some point autonomous vehicles will become so safe

and driving a car yourself is so dangerous as it you know one of the the number one causes you know motor vehicle accidents being the number one causes of that car manufacturers will start making insane enthusiast cars that are effectively track only because you have some percentage of the population that's just like they're not buying a 911 to like use as a daily. They're like I love cars so I'm going to get this like you know something like uh they're making like a W1 track only edition, right? And I could see like track only cars having like a real renaissance.

That'd be interesting. Yeah,

that kind of stuff is happening already. But I will tell you this, while such a thing might happen in California,

Florida man will never stand for that. [laughter]

I agree.

There will like Texas will never stand for that. There are parts of this country that simply will not

from their cold dead hands for sure.

Yeah, for sure.

But like Florida, man's not down with that.

I don't know. I just feel like uh I I I see it. But at the same time, eventually, you know, you these

the safety the safety data is going to be overwhelming for perfect self-driving cars in a decade. Like they're just never going to get

it will literally be like moms against self-driving, but they're talking about driving.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But but that it's so dystopian though,

right? I'm not saying I'm excited. I'm not saying I'm excited about it

because

because cars also I mean if I'm going to wax politic here for a second on cars like cars are really important. They represent freedom in my opinion, right? They represent the idea of like being able to have the the freedom to, you know, explore the world, the geography of the of the landscape of everything around us, right? It's the feeling of like the wind in your hair, the the way the steering wheel feels in your hands when you go over a patch of road, right? like the way all these things feel like it's not just about transportation. It's not just about the feeling of power for me. I think it is like the embodiment of freedom.

Um totally and the idea of like

going through a sort of like technological course and a course of human history where we make that freedom illegal. Man, that's I find that to be super dystopian.

Yeah. Let's hope it doesn't happen. You can still ride a horse around if you want on many streets. We might see a resurgence in uh

yeah stay with the horse. Stay with the

people are like I want to live within horseback distance of my office.

Give that horse a manual. [laughter]

But I don't think I don't think this is going to happen. I don't think this is going to happen in the next 10 years.

Okay.

You know.

Okay.

We'll have you back on and we'll we'll and we'll see what happens. We'll check in in a decade. We'll check in next month when there's some amazing news. Well, like California, California, there's some uh there's some like mileage tax that they're working on where you'll be allocated like a certain number of miles and pass that point. [laughter]

Pass that point. It's like you're going to pay your odometer tomorrow.

Leave it to California to come up with all these brilliant ideas.

Who knows?

Well, thank you so much for taking the time to come hang out with us.

Come back on as you have these uh launches, announcements. Always welcome.

Yeah, we'll talk to you soon. We'll have you guys out, too.

Have a good rest of your day.

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Uh C, we have some we have a small piece of news and then we'll bring in our next guest. Uh CBS is preparing a new segment called Whiskey Fridays with Tony Dopu Dopu Peel. I can't pronounce the last name. Uh, some staff [music] were only first made aware of it because they encountered CBS testing set designs of a faux stock R

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Uh, so they saw Cheeky Pint Cheeky Pint

and they were like, "We got to have a Cheeky Pint at CBS."

Okay, Cheeky Pint. Great concept. They got the faux ball Friday.

They're hanging out. It's casual, but they're not drinking. So, what if you did Cheeky Pint with whiskey?

Wait, is this a re This cannot be a real photo. This is has to be fake update. Here's what it

here's what it may look like, okay? Because that makes no sense to just put a news desk in that type of uh set. Anyway, we'll have to tune in. We'll have to uh give it our review. But until one Friday comes because we were just talking about cars.

Uh this post here from CDTV, the goose says, "Remember when Quo flexed driving 60 miles hour? I [laughter] go a mile a minute, skirt.

Yeah, that's actually quite slow on most freeways [laughter] where the speed limit 65 and most people are going 85.