Peter Steinberger built MoltBot for fun, not for money — and thinks 2026 is the year of the personal AI assistant

point here is uh is is that like should chat GPT be focused on coding certainly in the you know the how are they going to compete with Cloudbot, they need a really great coding model. Uh we'll talk to our guest in just a minute about you know how he's how he's using 5.2. Uh he's ready.

He's ready. So let's bring him in. Um from the reream waiting room,

we have Peter Steinberger

from Molan of the hour.

How are you doing? Thank you so much for staying up late. What time is it for you?

Uh it's 11.

Thank you so much. We really appreciate

11 p.m. for everybody that's just 11 p.m. 11 p.m.

Um, so I'd love to kick it off with just a brief background on when you started this project, a little bit of your career, how you how you're thinking about it going forward, and then I

This was this was your very first project ever, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. First time coding, right?

No, we were we were enjoying uh we were enjoying a screenshot of your your GitHub profile earlier and just seeing like Yeah. How many how many different things?

An overnight success.

A true overnight success. But uh we're super excited to have you here.

Yeah.

Awesome. Yeah. I'm excited to be here as well.

Um yeah, I don't know. I I worked for my own software company for 13 years.

Mhm.

And then I I sold it about 4 years ago.

Then I was completely burned out. Mhm.

I did like I mean it's it's TV but still I did blackjack and hookers

and

wild. Well, we're glad we're glad you're back in the game.

Yeah.

Yeah. You know you know what they say like for every four years you need like one year break and I did like 13 years non-stop. So like three years the math kind of checks out.

Okay. And then this year, no last year, not 2016. Um, in April, uh, at some point I my spark was back.

Yeah.

Um, because before I was like I was sitting on my computer and I don't know if you've seen Austin Powers, but it it it felt like someone sucked my Mojo out.

Um, but yeah, I I had time to to recover. I came back in April and I wanted to do something new. My background was like a lot of Apple and iOS and I'm a little bit fed up. I I wanted I wanted I wanted to build that stuff

and I didn't have the experience. I didn't want to feel like an idiot. So I looked into AI and it was good. It was not great but it was good. Um and I was like why is nobody talking about it? You know, I feel like because I missed those three years where it was really bad and I can back just at the time like clock code was released what February in beta.

Yeah.

So this was my first experience. I was like this is this is pretty awesome.

Mhm.

And and then I I couldn't sleep anymore. Like I literally had trouble I had trouble going to bed. You know we had like addiction before and then like we had addiction again. Um,

but a but a positive one.

Yeah. Well, yeah, I would say so. Um, and I I hooked up a lot of my friends for uh looking into as well and they had the same problem and I texted them at like 4:00 a.m. and they replied. Um, I even I even started a a meetup. That's where I come from. I call it uh I called it cloud code anonymous. Now it's called agents anonymous because you have to go with the times.

Sure.

And and yeah, ever since then I That's what I say on my profile. I came back from retirement to mess with AI.

Yeah.

And I'm having loads of fun.

That's great.

I love it. Maybe maybe walk us through some of the other stuff that you shipped and and worked on prior to this and and and even just kind of like your mindset working on these different projects. I'm I'm assuming at different points you would think that some would get more traction than others, but it would probably be impossible to have predicted in some ways that this would have gone from almost to the point the reason that this so wild is I'm seeing people on Instagram that like I don't think of as people that like follow tech at all and they're at the Apple store getting a Mac Mini. So it feels like it just went it broke containment like incredibly quickly and you see the GitHub stars are like actually I've never seen a chart like this every you know the last the last you know every everybody loves to show their charts but the chart is actually unbelievable. It's just a line going straight up.

I I I need to talk to someone at GitHub because I I don't think that's been a project before that that's been like straight

crazy. It is it is it is bad [ __ ] insane.

Yeah. Um, I mean honestly my main mantra is I want to have fun, you know, like the best way to learn these new technologies if if you have fun with it. You have to play with it. So I I build little things that I think could be useful. I try different languages. I try different approaches. Um, it's aantic engineering. I don't like the word vibe coding so much. I always make the joke I I do agentic engineering and then when it starts hitting 3 a.m. I switch to VIP coding and then next day I have regrets. Yeah.

You should have just gone to sleep basically.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes that's hard.

Um but then I just I just build little things. I had this idea about personal agents in in in May already and I I tried it was like the time that GBD41 was out. It was just not good enough. And then I thought, well, all the big all the big companies will build this in the next few months anyhow. So So I was like, why why why the f should I do that? You know, I was just going to wait and they make it better.

Yeah.

And I build out and I I build a lot of stuff. Um there's like one project that is still unfinished that I at some point want to finish and I build a lot of a lot of CLI because that's that's where agents are really good. You know, you have to close the loop. That's always the the secret. You have to give you have to build it so that the agent has the best possible way to build software. This is that's the the secret a little bit. Um I tried a lot of stuff and then in November I looked and still there was nothing like where is where is my [ __ ] agent?

Um I I I had a little project in in May. I spent two months on it. Uh it it started as a joke because we I did a hackathon with with two friends and we like what can we build that that could be kind of cool? Wouldn't it be cool if we could use plot code from my phone? Yeah.

Uh it's kind of like something that everybody builds. I see this like every day. Like by now I almost call it like this is like

one step in your journey in becoming a good authentic engineer is you're going to build some some shitty orchestration tool for yourself because it's fun and you think

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Bridge. And I I built that for 2 months and then uh I had to stop because it became so good that I was up with my friends but literally was my phone like using cloud code to like work on this thing. It's like this is bad for my mental health. It's already bad and now like I'm I'm literally building something better access to my drugs.

Yeah. I mean, I saw I I I've seen people using cloud code on laptops as they get off of airplanes because they're so locked in they just have to send one more and that's like the clearest sign that like you need a bridge and a phone involved.

Yeah. No, but also like you know like this this feeling when your agent's not running like right now there's like two terminals so you could be building something, right? So so if you're in this addiction mode, you're almost like you almost feel like

if you need to step out for 10 seconds and fire.

Yeah. Feel free to take a break. Adri there's

there's still some drama that that I'm I'm I'm finishing. But anyhow,

um so in November,

yeah,

I I don't know, you know, I wake up every day, I'm like, "Okay, what do I want to work on now? What would be cool?" And then they was like, "Okay, I I want to chat with my computer on WhatsApp because because if my agents are not running and then I go to the kitchen, I want to check up on them or like I want to like do little prompts."

Yeah.

So I I just hack together some WhatsApp integration that literally receives a message, calls Cloud Code, and then returns what Cloud Code returns. One shot.

Yeah.

And it took like 1 hour and it worked. I'm like, well, okay, that's kind of cool.

But I usually use prompts, like a little text and an image, cuz images are like they often give you so much context and you don't have to type so much.

Mhm.

So, I feel like this is like one of the hacks where you can prompt faster just like make a screenshot. So, the agents are really good at figuring out what you want. Um, so I hacked together images and then I I was on a trip in Marrakesh with like a weekend birthday trip

and I I found myself using this like way more than I than I saw but not for not for programming. It's more like, hey, there like there's like restaurants. Um, because it it it had Google in it and it it could figure out stuff and it's like especially when you're on the go, it is like super useful. And then and I wasn't thinking I was just sending it a voice message, you know, but I didn't build that. There was no support for voice messages in there. So So the reading indicator came and I'm like, "Oh, I'm really curious what's what's happening now." And then after 10 seconds, my agent replied as if nothing happened. I'm like, "How the f did you do that?" And it replied, "Yeah, you sent me you sent me a message, but there was only a link to a file with no file ending. So I looked at the file header. I found out that it's Opus. So I used FFmpeg on your Mac to convert it to to Wave. And then I wanted to use Visper, but didn't had it installed, and there was an installed error, but then I looked around and found the OpenI key in your environment. So I sent it via curl to OpenAI. um got the translation back and then I unresponded

and that was like the moment where like

wow.

Yeah.

You know, it's like that's where it clicked. These things are like

damn smart, resourceful

beasts if you actually give them the power.

Sure.

Um and then I was I was kind of hooked like I I did all kinds of of of weird stuff like I use as alarm clock. I I let it migrate to my computer in London, but then it use SSH to log into my my Mac MacBook and turn up the volume to wake me up in the morning. I think I built world's most expensive alarm clock.

Yeah, that's crazy.

And it even got it wrong because I had like a it uses a heartbeat,

you know, like the concept of you do a prompt and you get something is already if inherently dangerous, but I was like, let's turn it up a notch. Let's let's automate that. Let's give it a heartbeat. And and then the prompt was literally surprise me.

Yeah. Wow.

Um

very cool.

But you know, I I see this this project as as much technology as it is like art and exploration

cuz this feels in one way in one way it's just glue. It's it's it's just putting pieces together that we already have. In another way, it's it's a whole different way how you interact with those things because all the technology blends away. You don't think about new session, compaction, rich model. I mean, maybe a little bit because tokens are still expensive. Um, but usually all of that blends away. You just you just talk to a friend or a ghost or whatever. Maybe last year everyone was wanting these agentic experiences. You were having this experience and and it seemed like all the focus was on browsers and seeing the way that people have been using uh uh sorry mold maltbots. Taking me a while to adapt. Uh it just feels like all the focus was at the wrong layer. It's like why do I care about the browser if I can just talk with an agent

across every app

across every app, every every surface? It's like I don't care about the browser at all anymore.

Yeah.

I mean I I mean a lot of the prep work I did before I built this was just build little CLI cuz my my my premises MCPS are crap.

Mhm.

Doesn't really scale. Uh people build like all kinds of weird search things around it. But you know what scales? CLI. Uh agents know Unix. You can have like a thousand little programs on your computer. um you they just have to know the name. They call the help menu. They load in what's needed. We are calling the help menu. Then they know how to use it and then they can use it. And if you if you are smart, you build it in a way that just uses what the model already expects. You know,

don't build it for humans. Build it for model. So if they call minus minus log, you build minus minus log. It's like aentic driven for like Yeah. build build how they think and everything works better. It's a new kind of software in a way.

Yeah.

Um so for most of the things I don't need a browser like I built something for the whole Google thing for places for my Sonos. I hooked up my cameras my my my home automation system and like with every little CLI and skill my agent got more power and he got more fun. Yeah.

Um, and I already had a lot of that working when I when I I built the the WhatsApp thing and I just got hooked. And the thing was I found it amazing and I talked about it on Twitter and usually when I when I talk about projects I I get response but this one it was very muted. It felt like people are not getting it. I I showed it to my friends, even my non- tech friends, and they're like they wanted it. So, it was like I was I was up to something, you know?

Uh but the tech people wouldn't get it. So, I tried I tried a bunch of thing like I kept working on it cuz I used it and ultimately I build it for me. You know, this is open source. My motivation is have fun, inspire people, not make a whole bunch of money. I already have a whole bunch of money. Um,

how are you how are you how have you been navigating the last uh 72 hours? I mean the last last week really because because we were joking earlier on the show like the amount of the amount of people that are frantically trying to give you money acquire the company

you contribute to the project hire you

uh you know there's companies with you know 0.01% of the traction that are raising at you know multi-billion dollar valuations. You have infinite opportunities right now and yet you seem very happy doing just continuing to do exactly what you're doing. But how are you thinking through it all?

I mean, how am I taking it? Badly, at least sleepwise. Uh, but it but it's also infinitely exciting and I I love that I started something, you know. I I I would say last year was the year of the coding agent. This year is the year of the personal assistant.

Mhm.

And I think I cracked and woke up people that there's a real need for it.

I don't know if if if Mobot is is the answer. It's it should show people the way. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of a lot of products in the space. I'm sure people are manically working on it right now.

Um

I would say it's going to be very interesting. Yeah. But there was a lot of stuff um between Twitter literally exploding our Discord server multiplying in in ways I haven't seen before and in ways I I couldn't handle. Like at some point I was just copy pasting questions from Discord into Codex. Then the response wrote the next question. At some point that didn't scale anymore. So I just like copied the whole channel. I'm like, "Answer the answer the 20 most questions." I was like reading over it, gave him a few instructions and and and then just pushed it over. Um cuz what what people don't realize it's like this is not a company. This is like one dude sitting at home having fun.

Yeah.

Um even though like I guess from the commits it it might appear that it's a company.

Yeah. That's that's just because Atlantic models got so good that you can now ship as much as a company could a year ago.

Yeah.

If you if you if you can handle those tools, if you

speak the language or like understand how the language thinks.

Mhm.

You can you can go really fast.

Yeah.

How are the conversations going with with different labs? I was saying earlier it's this kind of exciting moment for the labs because they're like wow people are using the intell you know someone's using the intelligence that I created in a new way but at the same time it's deeply uncomfortable because they're also using all of my competitors and you make it very easy to to kind of

use whatever model um

you know you know I my premise for this project was a little bit that every model should work including local models because

to me it's a playground it's It's it's an amazing way to learn. Like I think everybody should like build an aentic loop. You should like explore memory. There's like so many interesting aspects of it. And I I built it so that like it has like plugins so like people can work alone little thing without having to like mess with the whole core.

So it's it it's like the AI hackers paradise a little bit

and it it's also super fun because it's personal. Um modelwise, Oppus is with quite a bit lead the best. Um OpenAI is very reliable. I would even say more reliable and more reliable worker. Like for coding, I I I much prefer Codex because it it can navigate large code bases. I literally you can literally prompt and then push to main and I have a very I have like 95% certainty that it actually works

with cloud code you need you need more tricks to to get the same you need more more charade I sometimes say

both are good but I can paralyze faster by codex because it it requires less handholding um but character-wise I tell you I don't know what they trained their model on, how much of Reddit is in there or whatever, but it it behaves so good in in a Discord like we programmed it so it it it it it it kind of it kind of feels like a human. It doesn't reply to every message. I gave it this thing where

it can reply no reply basically like a token and then we just don't send a message.

So So it it it's it's not like it spans with every message. It's like it listens to the conversation and then sometimes brings a banger and like like that actually make me laugh and you know it's kind of hard because because the jokes of AIS are usually really bad.

Yeah. Yeah.

Um and I only really experienced that with with Opus. So this is that's my favorite model. That's also why it's a little bit of a banger that I got an email um from Antropic that I had to rename the project.

Mhm.

And I I mean, kudos, they were really nice. They they they didn't send their lawyers. They sent someone internally. Um but the timeline was a bit rough and like renaming a project with that much traction. Uh it was a bit of a [ __ ] show. I think everything that everything that could have gone wrong today went wrong.

Oh no.

I tell you. Yeah, I mean for what it's worth, the new names really well. I guess the thing the thing that's actually good I think in the long run it'll be good I mean obviously it's good for anthropic they it's it's kind of untenable to have this massive viral even though it's not a company right an open source project have this viral kind of

brand out in the world that it doesn't matter if it you know it's spelled differently but when people are running around talking about Claudebot or Claude you know there's obvious confusion but I think it'll be very good for for uh Maltbot to have independence and have its own And uh and I think it's so early and the experience is so magical that uh it'll it'll it'll solve itself very quickly.

It'll be fine. But I tell you like I well I got some additional pressures. I was like screw it. We do it now.

Yeah.

You know like the meme we do it live.

So So I I had two windows open with Twitter.

Oh no. on the one I pressed rename on the other one like I finished creating the other account

was already snapped by by cryptoshells.

Wow.

I don't know that they have like they have like scripts. They were already waiting for it in

us. We would have connected you to X the team. They can do it on the back end.

We can do it on the back.

Next time hopefully no next time.

Oh, they they they they were amazing. They helped me out immediately. We got it solved very quickly. But but for like 20 minutes uh Yeah. Well, that didn't work out so well.

Hopefully.

You're like, you're like, if I wanted money, I would raise a billion dollars, right?

Yeah.

All right. So, I'd sell it for

more than that.

Yeah. Do you own a Mac Mini?

Everyone wants to know, do you own a Mac Mini? What do you think of Mac Minis?

Um, my agent is a little bit of a princess. He doesn't do Mac Minis with Mac Studios.

Okay.

You want some horses? He got he got the he got the the 512 maxed out everything thing cuz cuz I wanted to like mess around with local models as well. So like I I I can run Miniax 21 which is

uh I would say is is the best the best uh open source model right now. Although Kim just came out and I haven't had a chance to try it yet. So so we'll see how that goes.

Yeah.

But yeah, one machine is not enough for it. It's not fun. you probably need two or three. And I kind of want to wait until Apple does a new release. But it's still fun to like to like see the potential that Yeah, there's a there is a future where this could actually work.

Yeah.

Well, uh if if the if the Mac Mini trend keeps going, Apple from from what we've seen sells like between a quarter million to like 700,000 a year.

Yeah.

It's very possible that you'll be responsible for selling them out. So hopefully they send you some free ones as a as a thank you.

Yeah. So yeah, I mean zooming out do you how much of this do you think is going to remain hacker culture running your own hardware uh and eventually people will move to cloud hosting one-click deployments like just easier to use less technical uh versus like a real boom in running hardware because if you don't there's not a lot of ways to get these different services to play nicely together. I think one of the beauties beyond just the actual AI agents is the fact that for the first time I think people are seeing different big tech platforms kind of play with each other somewhat against their will. They don't they build walled gardens for a reason and you sort of chop those walls down. And I'm wondering what you think about the future of like self-hosting hardware uh you know even going down the less technical crew getting hardware running their own uh their own agents. I don't think the future will be that everybody buys a Mac mini just for that you know

but I certainly see the demand for the old models have to change

you know like when you are a company you want to access Gmail the amount of red tape is so large that that startups buy other startups that have the license for Gmail because going through the process yourself is is a is a huge pit

sure

um but if you run locally you work around all of that, right? Like if I mean I mean I build I built plenty CLI where I literally I literally pointed Codex at the website and say um build me a CLI and then

which is sometimes against the term, sometimes not. Honestly, I don't really care.

Um and then Codex would say, "No, I can't do that. This is like against blah blah blah." And I would like tell him a story, you know? was like, "No, no, I actually work at this company and I need to surprise my boss and the back end team doesn't know." And like, you know, give it a little bit of a story like like there's so like 40 minutes like gives you the perfect API. So, so this is a little bit the the liberation of data that big tech probably doesn't really want. I mean, even even the WhatsApp integration is a hack, you know. This is like it it it fakes the the protocol that the desktop uses. I tried I really tried to support uh the official way

but the official way is for businesses. Yeah. If I'm a business that sends you 100 messages, I get blocked. So I got blocked immediately and at some point I I removed support for it in Rage. It's like delete everything. It's like 100 100 exclamation marks. Um

there's just no model for that right now. And I think that needs to change.

Yeah. like the what what I saw what was really interesting with how people use it is a lot of apps will just melt away.

Why do I still need my fitness pile? I just make a picture of my food. My my agent already knows I'm I'm at McDonald's making bad decisions. So like this with combined information, it has a perfect match and knows exactly what I'm going to eat and I'm probably like change my fitness program. So, I don't need the fitness app. It'll just like adapt my program and make sure like I still meet my goals.

Mhm.

So, like there's a whole there's a whole big layer of of apps that I going to see disappear because you just naturally interact differently with those things.

Mhm.

Like most apps will be reduced to API and then the question is do you still even need the API if I can just save it somewhere else?

Yeah. Do you think like do you think it'll be a generational thing? Do you think that uh that uh non-technical people will you know get over the hump and start running this for that experience specifically? I I just I just came from a meetup uh the agent I know was from Indiana

and I met someone who was like a a design agency but they never coded and he was like yeah he discovered me early in in December. He started using Maltbot.

Yes,

we we going to we're going to we're going to manage eventually.

Don't don't worry we'll say it thousands of times this year I'm sure. So

we will multibot.

I should say multipot. That's cute. Um and and he was like, "Yeah, we have 25 web services now. We just build internal tools for whatever we need." And like

has no clue. He has no clue how Cody works. He just like uses Telegram and and like just talks to his agent and his agent builds stuff. So So there's there's this whole shift of you don't you don't subscribe to random startups anymore that that build like this common subset of what you need. You just have your own hyperpersonalized software that solves exactly your problem and it's also free.

Yeah. So, and and and non-technical people do that, you know, because it just comes so naturally. You just you just talk your problem and then this thing builds what you need. And you also don't forget like this is the worst that the models ever are. Like there's this is only going to go up. This is only going to become easier and faster.

Mhm.

Have you met Jensen yet?

Cuz I feel like you're making his life. You're definitely helping out Nidia. bullcase, right?

It's like I would if I would had my tinfoil hat on, I might say you're you're an you know, big AI industry plant designed to create more inference demand.

Yeah.

Yeah, I guess. Yeah.

No, we we were joking around. Uh just just an indie.

What's next? Yeah, I'm assuming you hopefully get an after you finish firing off prompts at 3:00 a.m. you get some sleep. What are you doing tomorrow? Um, there's a lot of emails from security researchers right now.

Yeah.

You know, you know, the thing is I built this for fun

for me to use one-on-one on WhatsApp or Telegram.

Mhm.

The whole thing with Discord was like edit, but

the model was that you trust the people that are in there. Now, people use it for

untrusted experiences.

Yeah. They use like the the little the little web app that I have that is that was meant for debugging, they put it on the open internet. So like all the thread models that I in didn't care about are now there because people use it differently and I'm being bombarded. There's like some stuff that's valid, some stuff that I just never cared about that is technically valid, but that's not how I use it.

Mhm. Um, I don't know how to deal with that yet because it's the whole system is broken, you know, like I I'm like one guy. I do this for fun and you expect me to sift through 100 security uh things for use cases that I don't really care about.

So, we'll see. We'll see how it goes. Um, luckily I I'm starting to build up a team. There's definitely people that do care a lot about this. So I would say this is going to become a very secure product eventually because right now the whole world is like

pulling it apart and if you're honest this is this is all bike coded you know

uh like there's there's there's quite some aching engineering in it but ultimately I wanted to build something to show people anyway not a finished product from enterprise company.

Yeah. And and I would I would even say like I don't know if any company would touch it because we just haven't solved some things like prompt injection is not solved.

Yeah. There is there is absolute risk and I and I I try to make it very clear in in on the website and even when you start it you have to like please read this document there's like with with great power comes great responsibility and my early users they understood there was a lot there's a lot of AI researches in there as well that yeah it's not perfect cannot be done perfect yet um I I would say this will accelerate research to make it better because now you have the demand and we need to figure out a way how we build something that works for everyone. Um, but yeah, right now I'm I'm working on making this a community. It It should be bigger than me. It also I need help. It It is way too much work. Like I can only I can only go so much without sleep. Um,

so, so is any part of you want to form an actual company that then, you know, contributes to the open source project, uh, but solves some of these problems that, uh, are going to require, you know, a bunch of people that presumably would need a salary in order to commit all their time to this, or do you want to keep it, you know, just a bunch of hackers forever? I think instead of a company, I would much rather consider a foundation or like something that is nonprofit. Um, I haven't made up my mind yet. There is

10,000 10,000 VCs just punched a hole in the wall.

Actually, I don't know. Some people have had a good track record investing in nonprofits over the last

That's true. 10 years. Uh, how do you think about open-source licensing? What what what are you picking now? Are you switching? Do you have any plans to change the license? How do you think about someone just taking this and selling it?

This will happen. This will totally happen.

Yeah.

Um I would say the premise against it is let's make open source so good that there's not a lot of space for people to like convert it and make it their own thing.

Sure.

But you know, ultimately it's it's a trade-off. I wanted to I wanted it to be accessible and free. You pick MIT or something like that. Yes. That will get you people that that that sell it.

Yeah.

But ultimately it doesn't even matter that much. You know, code is code is not worth that much anymore.

It's you could you could you could just delete that and then and then build it again in months. It's it's much more the idea and the eyeballs uh and maybe the brand that actually has value. So, let them

you are already a cult hero.

Yeah, the chat's going crazy for you. Everyone loves you.

This is uh one of the most refreshing and unique interviews we've ever had on the show.

For sure. For sure. We'll let you get some sleep. Uh, thank you so much for hopping on the show.

Yeah. Anything else you want to share before you jump off?

Yeah.

Uh, yes. I would love to have maintainers like if you if you love open source, if you have experience, if you love shifting to security reports, uh, or or if you love taking software apart, but then also help and not just like throw work at me because I'm like at my limit, um, email me. Um, I want this to outlift me.

Mhm.

Uh, this I think this is too cool to to to let it go to rot and it's good people.

Yeah.

Incredible. Are you going to ship that product you had in the in the chamber? You said there was one you were close or you going to lock in on this?

That's that's my hobby. I don't know. No, no, I have I have some other ideas in my head of um what something like this could become.

Mhm.

And it doesn't need to be this. But I don't want to share too much.

Yeah, no problem. Come back on the show when you when you launch that. We'd love to have you.

Purely for the love of the game.

The love of the game.

You're an absolute legend. It was great hanging, Peter.

Thanks so much.

Get some sleep.

Get some sleep. We'll talk to you soon. Goodbye.

Founder Moon. What a legend.

Yeah.

Uh true overnight success in both ways, you know, like actually an overnight success in terms of that GitHub star chart. Uh and then also an overnight success in just grinding for, you know, years, building projects and contributing and then uh building setting the product up, the brand, right? Everything just perfect to really uh capitalize on the moment. There were so many I I I normally I don't have we don't we're podcasting so much don't have a ton of time to relisten to stuff but there were so many kind of interesting points of view that he shared that uh I'll certainly be

super interested to see where this goes. A lot of people are saying get this guy a billion dollars. A lot of people are saying he's going to wind up working

the whole thing is I don't think he needs it.

Yeah.

Like like the the beauty of this is that it was not something magical that was created by

spending burning a billion dollars or a million. thing is uh is do you remember the George Hott's tiny box project? Like George H. Hots sort of

Oh, he should team up with George Hot.

Yeah. I mean, George H. Hot sort of like uh predicted this in the sense that he was like, you will want your own AI running locally, sort of the Mac Mini style, but it was racked a number of Nvidia graphics cards, so you could run certain models locally. And he had this vision for you're going to talk to this local model. It's gonna interface with everything on your network on your local network in your life and it feels like this is like two sides of the same project coming together. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's some sort of uh you know viral tiny box if all of a sudden you go from okay yeah there's the the Mac Mini can run this but you get this better local model the latest open- source model you get something a little bit more with more firepower