HQ Trivia host Scott Rogowsky launches Savvy, a live word puzzle game with 3x week-over-week viewer growth

Look at this suit.

Is that game worn? Someone's got to bring some swag to the show, you know. No quarter zips here.

Okay. [laughter]

No halfass custom suits only.

Actually, yeah. What What's the origin of the suit?

No. Shinasty. I got to prep.

No, you guys got your sponsors. I got my shiny.com. They make all my custom suits. By the way, it's a shame the sports card company Fleer isn't still in business. Fleer.

Remember Fleer sports cards?

Yeah.

Cuz then they could have called this the Fleer Ultra Dome.

Yeah. been giving out gold medallions. I had to do this for Dylan. Dylan needed a clear. He's a big He's a big fan. Yeah. How How'd you meet Dylan?

Dylan and I met at HQ.

Okay.

When uh he came on board, I was hosting it. He came on board as a partnerships guy.

Absolute wizard. He is.

You guys are so lucky. We have him.

We are

with Savvy. If we were just a little earlier market, maybe we could have hired him first, but

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You guys, we'll poach him one day. I'm pretty sure.

Yeah. Introduce that'll be a good talent work. That'll be a good day.

And then uh and Yeah. Yeah. introduce Savvy, get us up to speed, and then of course we'll go back and talk a lot about HQ.

Sure. Yeah. So Dylan and I met met at HQ where if viewers aren't familiar um was this live interactive mobile game show viral phenomenon back in 2017. You guys play

Oh yeah. Of course.

All right. All right.

I never won. I don't think I ever.

Neither did I, man.

Oh yeah. Well, you were playing insider trading.

It's uh it was tough though. Honestly,

part of like the journey to Savvy is,

you know, taking a lot of the learnings and insights from HQ, which

tremendous success at first, viral international hit,

but when you think about it and in hindsight, you go, "Oh,

maybe it was a flawed product

because

it was this really impossible game to win, right? Very few people actually won it." A lot of very smart people, including Steven Colbear, when I did his show, he told me be behind the curtain, he didn't do this on the camera. He goes, "I played your game a couple times.

Didn't win. Stop playing."

And it's like, "Oh, interesting." Because if you're a smart person, you feel

losing over and over and over.

It's not a good feeling. So, from that perspective, it was

maybe not the best

because yeah, if you play Fortnite or Call of Duty and you're not doing well, they will pair you with other people that are at your skill ceiling. Like the skill-based matchmaking happens in most you go to chess.com, you'll be matched with someone at your level. So you can get a couple wins under your belt. With HQ, it just gets more and more competitive, more and more competitive. Exactly.

And then the company obviously has to raise the bar or else everyone wins.

Yes. And iterating on the products, adding features, adding new formats. They just never quite got there. So with Savvy, one of the thing, one of the takeaways is we want to make this game something that everybody can play all the way through. Because with HQ, if you got out on question two out of 12, you were done. That's it.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

So now you could play all five rounds of Savvy, which are word puzzles.

We thought about trivia, but I think AI has put a kaibash on

cuz it's just too easy with these bots, man.

Um, but with techsavvy is the end of the game.

Yeah. Somebody would have just like the biggest bot farm in the world just trying just winning every every single time.

I mean, they were already doing that eight years ago. So just imagine what you can do now.

You guys were dealing with bots.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it was AI back then, but there were, you know, Discord farms and bot people. I don't know. I'm not a tech guy, so I don't really know how that stuff works. But, um, with with Savvy, I mean, we're doing word puzzles. So, it's basically a live Wordle meets connections. I don't if you play those games.

So, it's a version, our version of that. Five rounds, timed rounds. You can score points.

And the key differentiator,

you're playing against me.

Yeah. It's you.

It's It's the host.

The host plays too. So imagine HQ if I was just if I was asking the questions and answering them and if you answered more than me, you won. Imagine if that that's how HQ works. That's how savvy works.

Yeah.

So if you score more points than me, if you if you solve the puzzles quicker, if you get you beat the host, you're a hostbuster.

A host buster. [laughter]

What's your uh what's your what's a day in the life like then?

Right now.

Yeah.

Well, guys, I just moved to LA last week.

So I'm trying to get my day in the life. Oh, I love it. I mean, I I was here a few years ago. New York guy before

New York my whole life. Um but no I spent about 21 to 24 in LA. Moved back to New York for some relationships and came back here for my new relationship. My new commitment

is this at because frankly the time

married married to the game.

I'm not married to anyone else but this game. I'm committed like Kurt Russell to Goldiehon. You know I'm that level of commitment. Great.

Arizona iced tea 99 cents. That commitment that's my commitment. [laughter]

That's my commitment. But uh no, I'm here for a week. So I really haven't gotten my day in the life routine yet, but I'm trying to. I walk the dog in the morning. I'm still getting up early with that time zone difference.

You know, having my coffee, making a breakfast, doing a great job.

Stay stay on New York time.

I thought about that. I It might happen. I mean, you guys are up early for the show. I know. So

it actually helps, right? Kind of staying in there.

Yeah, we do the workout. We go get breakfast, prep the show, go live at 11. uh how important is uh going live at a particular time the iteration any of this recording like how are you thinking about uh just rotating in other hosts like your your your workflow and your involvement because I I feel like the unlock is the talent is the host right

for sure and we're going to definitely find other hosts we have to I mean I already just talked today about doing a gig in Miami on March 18th so I'm like all right I got so we're going to have other hosts we're going to have other shows that's all going to happen but look this is so cool being here first of watching you guys grow the way you have. I've been following along and watching. It's very cool to see and it really brings

There's a lot of HQ in here.

There's a lot of HQ.

There's some clubhouse. There's a lot of different stuff that has been tried and we sort of pieced it back together

and and you realize the importance of

of cadence of going live every day have for you guys having that long show. For us, a short burst of tight attention span, but you know, whole different thing. We're playing a game, but it really is like so for example, we were doing beta shows weekly in New York.

Okay. And I knew going in like weekly isn't gonna really

never do anything weekly. Always strongly.

I like that. [laughter]

It's good. Um I So we started doing daily shows now. We're going live five times a week, Sunday through Thursday, school nights, live on school nights at 9:00 p.m. Eastern, but doing them here. So last Thursday we had 1,200 uh peak concurrence, about 1,500 total entered. Last night, less than a week later, 3,000. Wow. So, we've had doubling in growth week over week.

There you go. We don't monetization. Um, we sold one t-shirt on Tublic. Got three bucks for that.

Ching $3 is in the door. Fantastic. I think we made four cents on Tik Tok live our simal cast. So, mon we are monetization, post monetization, post revenue, but no, we're Listen, I'm bootstrapping this thing to talk business.

Okay. Yeah, I was going to ask so you talked about some of the product challenges with HQ. just if every if the average user is losing every single night, that's rough. Uh but uh yeah, what about from a business standpoint? It also feels like HQ was in this position where once it had real venture dollars behind it, you just have to go for scale. And when you're bootstrapping, as long as the business is sustainable, there's no reason to stop. You don't it's you can reach a point where you're like, okay, we've hit a ceiling, and that's okay. Like,

yeah,

maybe maybe there is no ceiling, maybe there is, but it doesn't really matter either way.

Yeah. I mean I I I don't have a very um sanguin view about VC culture and that whole thing based on my experience with HQ. I mean look

you give a bunch of young people a lot of money and just say go scale a company, go lead a team, go manage people, not very many people

go compete with Facebook, go compete with Google,

but really even just like personal I mean also you know business sense and you know most of these people didn't go to business school. Uh anyway, my point is we have like a philosophy here where we're really trying to just bring as much as we can to this as a full team. I'm putting my money in. One of my other co-founders putting money in and we are really trying to commit to doing this ourselves for as long as we can. We did take a couple meetings with some like stage early stage seed uh guys just to kind of validate the products. I won't tell you to grow. The other the other question is like is this almost more suitable for someone who is in the entertainment industry and not thinking about this as okay this is going to be a tech company an AI company blah blah blah but more like the values in the talent the values in the community the values in the the product and

yeah I feel like I feel like in Hollywood and entertainment it's very much calculus of like hey if we can spend $20 million to make this movie and it makes $80 million that's a win.

Yeah. And in VC, if if a company says we're raising $20 million and we only ever want to make 80 million,

then we're opening it up and moving on to this sequel maybe,

which also is insane to me because 60 million is not bad. [laughter] Like I I'm I'll give me a quarter of that.

Um, so no, I mean, listen, I get it. There's a whole ecosystem of of of the of the investor and listen, we we we were certainly open to it. Listen, we'll be open to it if we need to go there. Um, but thankfully we're in a position, although I don't know after the market today. Might [laughter] have to might have to re-evaluate some of that. We'll see.

Uh,

yikes.

Yikes.

Bad day. Uh, how do you originally get the job at HQ?

You're just, [laughter] you check your portfolio. You're looking in the put on start putting in.

I'm getting a text like, "Yeah, we actually do need a check right now." So, if any VCs are watching, um,

no, sorry.

How'd you get the job at HQ?

Oh, that was that was an audition, man. an audition. So, yeah, even though it was a tech company, they held full auditions. Like, how did you did you see it on like a talent casting website or just a Craigslist ad? Wire?

It was purely like a a you know, a a friend. Yeah. I mean, a guy I used to work with at the Onion.

Let's give it up for network.

Oh, I love the networking. Yes.

The Onion. You worked there?

So, in 2008, I interned there.

Wow. And this guy Nick was the photo editor and we became friends, you know, couple young guys, funny guys hanging out in New York and we stayed friends throughout, you know, on Facebook mostly. But like I got my roommate a job at the company that was HQ. It turns out cuz Nick had put out a message on Facebook saying, "Hey, I'm looking for an animator." My roommate was an animator. So Russ got the job there. Oh yeah.

And then lo and behold, a few months later, Nick calls me and goes, "You know, we're casting a host for this game show on your phone." I'm like, I was about to move to LA. This was 2017. I already moved out of my apartment in Brooklyn. I was ready to go. And I'm like, look, I guess I'll do one more audition. I've failed every audition. Just flunked them left and right for shows like Broad City and Search Party. I remember there's a Delta commercial with Noah Synagar. I was going to take my shirt off and I was like excited to do that.

You were dice.

I I cuz I love Thor and the Mets [laughter]

and I'm actually a JetBlue guy to be honest. But uh listen, I failed all those auditions and this is the one audition I got, the last one I took and it changed my life and what can I say? It just um but you know you mentioned like the the whole media and tech hybrid and that's what makes it's what made HQ very unique but also what makes savvy unique because

look HQ had interest from NBC, Disney, Fox also Facebook also you know the the venture capital you know founders funnel put in 15 million but um you know very few companies have that type of dual interest and attraction from those major major spheres of influence and money and um it's about managing those types of investment parts but also just managing the product and understanding that, you know, when you're doing a live interactive game show on a phone on an on your own app, just like what you guys are doing in terms of building your own network,

you got to think about, yeah, there's technology involved. Look at what's happening with the streaming and everything, but it's a show. It's entertainment and you guys are doing it all just like we're doing it all. It's it's it's exciting. It's very heavy. Could be scary at times.

Very few people are doing it. So, give ourselves some credit for doing the media tech [applause] hybridish. Can I

They said it they said it was impossible. Uh, how soon do you think Zuck will clone Savvy? [laughter]

I would love for him to try.

Someone else that was break down how you process that.

Listen, man. I mean, they they say flattery is the I forget what they say.

Imitation is the sincerest form [laughter] of flattery.

We like to say imitation just sucks.

Imitation, especially imitation crap.

It's for losers.

Those garbage those California rolls.

Disgusting.

It's disgusting and despicable. then you should be ashamed for imitating me.

And and you say this

not flattered at all.

Right. Exactly. And and and nobody at CNBC would have any issue with that. Yeah. [laughter] But look, we all imitate. We all remix each other. But that's the thing. It's like you don't the what you guys are doing. It's like, oh, I don't need a job on CNBC. I can create my own goddamn CNBC. Make your own squat.

CNBC. Of course you do.

But I honestly would have never even thought like, oh, I should apply for a job there. Like I don't even know how to get into that world. It's just like that come natural.

What you're right is like Yeah. If you asked John and I even a year and a half ago, hey, would you ever think about could we

business television? We'd be like news anchor. I know like we're like let's have a podcast with two microphones just talk to each other and it turned into a TV show kind of but streamed online.

But you know, someone would someone asked me when I was uh hosting HQ, you know, I get interviewed and they say, "Well, where do you want to be in 5 years? What's the next move for you?" And I go, "I'll be here for 20 years if this thing stays on. This is the future." So,

unfortunately, it didn't last very long. But with Savvy, I'm like I said, I am in this to win this for the long haul. My skin's in the game. My face is again, you know, front and center. For better or worse, I don't think America I don't think a 100% America loves this face, but uh enough people do. Enough people do.

Yeah. What was chat back like that?

You don't have to like chat can be a little rough, you know. [laughter]

Yeah.

You know,

we've been there. We've been banned by all sorts of just today. I don't know. Earlier, I guess word leaked that Sam was coming on to the leaked. [clears throat] We promoted it everywhere.

Well, no. I'm saying it leaked [laughter] to the part of the internet where there's a lot of people that are really frustrated that 40, the model from OpenAI is being deprecated. A lot of people fell in love with the model, have a very close relationship with the model. And so, we basically couldn't even look at the chat at one point because there was, you know, a me message every second from somebody saying,

I didn't realize how big that army is. I I've seen a couple posts. I thought mostly maybe fake AI generator or something like they were there. They were real and like and and they had points to make.

Yeah. problem with people who can't yeah fall in love with a fashion model. fall in love with AI models and

it's a whole different we have like a really core community that's really positive and everyone gives each other feedback like the the the core group is really really

of course no I mean I'm I'm I'm just screwing around like obviously every chat's going to have a few trolls in there of course but no we welcome everyone and and there really are like HQ the community of HQ was so tremendous these HQies I mean millions of people playing

I I've heard from people who got married because they met someone playing HQ you know Yeah,

strange families coming.

How many how many people of of the early user base for Savvy are just people that were waiting for it to be reborn in some

a bunch I mean what what we noticed was again live interactive not a lot of people are doing it and platforms aren't built for it. So even on like Tik Tok and and Twitch

when people are going live they're finding hacks to make interactive gaming but no one's doing this onetoone interactive the host versus the audience streamer versus audience very unique and uh that's kind of the thesis behind building our platform is we want to make this streamer to audience interaction that no one else is doing live appointment-based games

cash prizes the whole shebang. Um, so how do you think about syndication and marketing like turning the show that's live interactive? That's a very high bar. I mean, we see it with like the number of people that show up live and watch the whole show is way lower than the people that watch our RSS feed or YouTube videos or shorts or clips. And so, how do you take something that you got to be there, but if you see it, you might be like, I want to be there for the next one.

Exactly. Well, that's that's the marketing, right? I mean, we haven't spent any money on marketing. It's really just been my social media posts that have gotten us to this 3,000 people or so.

That's great. And then of course, you know, coming on shows like this. I'm hoping we get the TBPN bump tonight.

Oh yeah, let's do it.

I want to crack that 3500. We get to 3500.

If it happens, we're taking credit. We're taking credit. You should happen.

You should. I mean, how about even Sam Alman's trolls will take you to [laughter]

Tell them Tell them that Foro is hosting 40. A dangerous proposition forever and [laughter] can never never stop. What? Wait, so you touched on monetization earlier, but is is this the kind of thing you get

if if 10,000 people, 20,000, 100,000 some days showing up every single night, they would happily pay some amount of money to for that experience, right?

Absolutely. Again, to bring it back to Dylan, who was the one responsible for getting those deals on board, I mean, we had ultimately we were doing million-dollar deals for single shows.

Yeah. But why wouldn't why wouldn't a player just subscribe too? So you have

We have subscriptions

paid paid subscriptions. So you have that like cuz I think if you're running

Yeah. I mean I can just imagine if you have 100,000 people that play the game all the time, why would they not play? There's a lot of value there.

No. Yeah. We're we're going to do subscriptions. We're rolling that out for our season one premiere March 1st.

Uh subscriptions and of course sponsorships could be a part of that, too. Um but no, absolutely. I mean the the the you know when we see people on Twitch donating $10 a month to their streamers for nothing really in return it's like well if we can offer you know I mean it's just donate it's like it's you know Patreon it's support no it's support and that's it's an amazing community of support out there

uh like from fans to artists right fans to content creators so we don't have that mechanism yet but when we roll out the subscription it's like hey if you love Savvy if you love rock with me throw us some cash and then we'll give you your digital rewards your customizations

skins exclusive games though maybe higher

prize Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Talk to me about a milliondoll HQ show. Like what does that feel like for you? What's an example? Walk me through sort of like how those big shows, those big monetization moments came together.

How they came I mean to how they came together was we were able to get a million people playing the game live. If you get a million live devices, and it turns out, guys,

if if Dylan only knew this when we were making those deals, it probably could have doubled money because later on Yeah.

we hired Neielson, the ratings company, to come in and do a a study.

And they put like a 1.7% multiple.

Wow.

On our viewers. So, frankly,

people are looking over your shoulder.

Exactly. If there's one person holding a phone, maybe there's an office all playing together, family playing together.

So, honestly, two and a half million connected devices was our peak with The Rock when he hosted. That was a Warner Brothers sponsored event. was sponsored for Warner Brothers for a movie

to promote Rampage I believe was the movie at the time instant classic modern classic Rampage of course.

Okay. Of course, [laughter] still still getting paid.

Still talk about that movie.

Um two but 2.5 million connected devices really. Yeah. Close to like 5 million viewers.

And then and then what's your interaction with the Warner Brothers team on that? Like are you are you stop Yeah. Yeah. During the show are you is it just overlays, graphics? Are you stopping doing ad reads? It's like what do they want to really make that pop for a million bucks?

It was I mean we we showed the trailer. We played the trailer in the in the lobby and we and we I definitely talked about it. Uh you know probably wrote a whole script around I think we did a Ready Player One

uh deal, right?

Maybe some questions that are linked

some questions linked to it. A lot of you know you know graphical integration the UX UI but I think it wore like the the Ready Player One goggle hair even. So that kind of stuff and live product reads are going to be part of Savvy as well. I mean, again, we're taking the live podcast ecosystem of ads, as you guys well know, you guys are like NASCAR drivers over here.

Oh, [laughter] yeah.

Do you think that uh energy or compute will be a bigger bottleneck?

Great question. And I don't know what either one of those words means. No. Um uh you know, yeah, it's going to get expensive,

but I expect you guys to train your own foundation models, our own our own rep.

We we got a foundation model right here. AI. You're a foundation model of a man.

I'm a foundational element. I'm a I'm a fundamental

aspect of consciousness live on your screen. You know, real humans are going to be a scarce commodity in the near future. So,

how how are you thinking about building the team?

Yeah, I mean, it's it's important obviously, you know, you know, I'm I'm CE CMO co-founder technically. So, we've got our COO Josh, our CTO Ben, and CEO Johan. Uh Johan and Ben are based in Europe. Actually most of our team is is in Europe we're distributed across the globe and um they're doing a lot of the hiring decisions there for the key roles backend stuff we're looking but we are looking you know animators um social media manager actually community manager is key um and and really we're looking for just you know it's like the be do have way of thinking. We just want people who are going to be their best bring their best self to the job and if they're doing that then they're going to have success and we're going to do well.

Yeah. Did you get any inbound from companies that wanted to dip their toe in live? PostHQ people that want to like What was the What was the PostHQ sort of like idea maze for you?

Oh, it was wild, man.

Cuz I imagine you could just go and say like, [clears throat] "I'm going to be an actor. Put me in a TV show or whatever. There's game shows you compete in that." There's also a lot of tech people that were aware of you. How did you How do you navigate that?

Well, I mentioned the failed auditions before. I'm not much of an actor, it turns out, so I wasn't going to go that route.

Play yourself well. I do play myself and you know that's all I really need to know how to play just me. Um

I the way I look at it is like there was

probably two dozen people that contacted me over the last seven years. You know I had this baseball show I went from HQ to this baseball show called uh change up on zone. Okay.

Supposed to be a three-year deal.

Co killed that. The major leagues became the force majour leagues is the joke I like to make.

And uh they killed it's a contract joke. They killed

because Yeah. Because because baseball went on hiatus. Baseball was on hiatus. There was no need for the show and they used as an opportunity to pull the plug. Brutal.

So, I lost that gig. But look, I had like dozens of people reaching out about all sorts of things. I even tried to start a company back in 2019 2020 pre- pandemic with a guy and um

that that had its issues. But um

you know the thing about these guys who who hit me up and it was Benjamin and and Johan these two randomly on Twitter. They messaged me over a year ago now and said, "Hey, we have this idea."

Yeah. interaction host versus streamer. And I'm like, I've heard a lot of pitches. I took the meeting. They showed me their demo. I was like, these these guys are they're like 27, 28 years old,

and I've I've met with lots of people, lots of ideas, some fly by night stuff, some really earnest people, but just with the right team, right product. These guys seem like they had the experience with mobile gaming. That's what they pitched me on. They go, "We work at mobile gaming companies here in Europe."

That's what we need.

That's what we need. So, they know the retention mechanics. They don't necessarily have have needed to do the exact same thing, but have having done something the the scale, the interaction, the engagement, all these things.

Something else lacking from HQ, by the way, I don't think a single person on the team had mobile gaming experience or Hollywood production experience. It was wild.

No one had any [laughter]

wild. No, seriously. Yeah.

Does anyone here have experience any

I mean very talented people. I'm not taking away but you know coming from Twitter coming from Uber coming from you know big tech companies and but but mo I I really don't think I mean maybe I'm wrong some engineers maybe but mobile game is a very specific field and again te enter entertainment and Hollywood media is very specific so I brought that entertainment side of things these guys have the mobile gaming tech side of things we've married together our our CEO Josh is kind of the glue guy who's really um you know keeping the company running and taking care of all all that and also our production manager helping set up the streams he just did a whole overhaul of our new studio here in LA. Shout out Forever Dog Studios. Our version of the Ultra Dome. Um, but no, we're I mean it takes as you know. Which one's [laughter] this?

That's a dog panting studio.

You said Forever Dog. Forever dogs. We play dogs.

I like that. Okay. Forever dog. I don't

There we go. The dog. Forever dog.

Thinking of my guy right now. Just left my dog at home.

Um, but no, man. It's it's a unique like it's a unique entity what we're doing. What I say we cuz we got you guys are doing it, too. Um, how do how are you?

I love I love media. I love that. Uh, it's a business that doesn't exist if you don't show up and make it every single day.

And that that scares a lot of people. And sure, there's like downsides to that. A lot of people want to say, you know, the idea idea of SAS, it's beautiful. You build this thing one time, you sell it, you know,

passive income. It's not passive. I talking about UGC, right? And this is the classic dilemma for me because what what HQ did I think amazingly the most innovative aspect of HQ

was the fact that it was an app that worked for 15 minutes a day.

Yeah.

And it was not UGC. It was PGC producer generated. There was a single show, a single purpose

on this customized platform.

What a concept, right?

Yeah. I mean, because you could say, well, let's open up to everybody. And and the the funny thing is the twist on this is that HQ derived from a previous iteration of an app called Hype. So, these the founders, they had a company called Intermediate Labs, and it was about building apps. They built some kind of dance app for for Instagram. They built an app called Hype

and it was we're going to allow people to make their own talk shows from their bedrooms, give them templates, give them music, almost like Tik Tok talk show thing.

And I don't know, maybe a few thousand people downloaded it. One woman was doing a trivia show from her bedroom. Yeah.

And they saw the show, they're like, "Let's just do our own show."

Yeah.

And that's how they got the idea for HQ trivia. So they tried UGC at first. It wasn't working. The

PGC Yeah. The challenge it's a very small market of people. Even even even Twitch is still so power law driven and that you take away [clears throat]

the top 30 creators in the platform is probably worthless.

It's very true. So, we are basically kind of gatekeeping the creators on our platform. Very, very highly curating it is probably better way to say it. Curating it to just me right now, but we'll open up if you guys gatekeeping.

Gate negative word. Can't say gatekeeping anymore. But you guys, I want to bring you guys on the show.

Yeah, that'd be great.

You'll co-host with me. We'll do cross promo. We know how it works.

I I uh the app is in the app store and I want to read this review. It's amazing. HQ done right. This app is so much fun. I've missed the live game shows of the 2010s and this app delivers on the best of those. Not only is Quizdaddy back, but there's also new features that reward you just for playing the game. Uh you can excited to see how Savvy grows from here, but they're off to a promising start. Five stars.

Sounds like chat GPT. [laughter]

That's that's very nice. I mean, and really the the feedback has been phenomenal. The community has been phenomenal.

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Oh, I like that. Oh, you had stickers. And what about I I'll give you some stickers. here on your console

and yeah, for sure. I'll wear I'll wear a TVPN.

Let's get the the custom TVPN suit.

Love it. Congratulations.

Uh I'm super I'm super excited for you. It sounds like you have a fantastic team taking the founder the right uh yeah you got to your your our friend Jeremy Gon talks about this idea of everyone is like pre or postfall like you've like like there's people that uh are doing really well and yet they haven't you know been like deeply humbled by life yet they never suffered a setback.

You've you've you've gone you've gone through that now now daddy's [laughter]

daddy's eaten a help a helping of humble pie or two over the years.

[laughter]

Um, it tastes pretty good, actually.

More than kind of more than your fair share. So,

look, I'm not I can't complain about anything. I've been so blessed even these last seven years of, you know, kind of wandering the desert to get to this point. But, uh, I'm so excited for this launch and and truly, if we can get the TBPN community on board tonight, download the app, plays savvy.live on board the cameras, plays savvy.live,

do it,

Android, Apple tonight at 600 p.m. Pacific, 9:00 p.m. Eastern. Let's get over 3,000 concurrents. And I'm going to give you guys credit. Fantastic.

Well, I think it's time to plant the bomb and get out of here. Thank you so much for coming on. We'll close out the show with you on here. Leave us five stars on Apple Podcast and Spotify and the uh newsletter tbpn.com. Yeah, we did have range. We went all over. It's fun. Sam to Sam to Savvy.

Nice book.

It's good stuff.

Living legends.

Yeah. And we will be back tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. Pacific. We have Doug Laughlin joining. We have a bunch of other fun folks joining the show and be a great day. Have a great rest of your day.

Afternoon and evening. We love you.

Nice work, brothers. I'll see you on the next one.