Delian Asparouhov on Hill & Valley Forum: tech-DC collaboration, defense budget, and Ramp for government

doesn't run perfectly, uh the gaming company will just kind of figure it out. It's not that big. Whereas if uh if a training run goes wrong, that's, you know, potentially like a billion dollars out download drain.

It's just fascinating that Lisa and Jensen could be cousins and she wouldn't pick up at least a little bit of what her uh of her cousins moved. So, I invited Dylan Patel on the show. He's traveling. He should be joining us in a week or two hopefully. Uh and I definitely want to know, you know, this is great.

I love this. Let's go for AMD. I'm super happy for them. Uh and and congratulations to Semi analysis for like making this happen. Uh at the same time, like why did it take so long? like this feels like this was foreseeable. They potentially missed out on a a part of the bubble, right? We're in a bubble.

We love bubbles on the show. Uh but they they were pretty much asleep at the wheel for at least the initial run, which cost them uh a massive amount. You know, they they could have raised Yeah.

tens of billions of dollars of of uh cheap equity through that process and and um you know I'm sure they they conducted you know a bunch of different um you know fundraises over that period but um they didn't really get uh much of a you know the stocks up like 60% over the last like five years so it's not like they haven't really been a winner in the in the boom.

Yeah. Well, let's put up the guest lineup for today. And we have Delion coming into the studio first. And we have a bunch more folks. We got uh co-founders of public coming in. Uh they announced a partnership with uh Aston Martin today.

We're very excited about got Listen Labs, Free Form, Formic, and of course Cali coming in from Trummed to talk about uh food dye bands and a bunch of other stuff. So very excited for that. But next up we have Delian. Welcome to the stream. How you doing? [Music] Welcome Delta V with Delian. What is up?

I think I lost a button. I think I I think you just got excited when you saw me. It's okay. It happens. I did. It happens. Uh it's not every day you get to hang out with one of the most cutthroat venture capitalists in Silicon Valley. Now space men in the world. Uh, the Bulgarian bruiser in the building. How you doing?

Uh, what is it like being down to one job? I fantasize about, you know, only having one job all the time, but somehow stuck with like five jobs. Yeah. Has anyone told you about like the value of focus? Maybe you should just focus on one thing. I know. I know. I wish I was a little less ADD. Yeah.

Uh, anyway, what is on your mind? I'm sure you're thinking about Hill and Valley. I want to pull up the uh Wait, first I have a question. You said you said your your Zoom uh you're doing a lot less Zoom since moving to LA.

Is that just a lot you're just meeting with the Varta team in person or is it founder meetings as well? Are you taking more meetings in person uh now that you're uh Gundo adjacent? Oh god. Uh you know, let's not use that word. It's a dirty word. Um I am Elsa Gundo.

Uh not adjacent within um I'm currently, you know, located within those city boundaries.

Um I think it's honestly it's a it's basically everything like everything from the portfolio companies um to you know FF meetings um you know to you know Varta meetings and it's one of these things that it kind of feels like recursive where it's like when you have less Zooms then when somebody like I had this like VC ask me for a Zoom this week and I was like cool you're in SF just let me know next time you're LA like if it's so important just like take the minute flight and they're like I don't have any plans to be in LA anytime soon.

And I was like, "Cool. Then I don't have any plans to talk to you. " Moged talking about this. It's ridiculous. Well, we appreciate you joining this Zoom uh and this show. Uh let's Yeah, thank you. We appreciate uh let's run through uh Hill and Valley over a few short years.

We've made it into the preeminent forum for the top technology leaders and elected officials to gather. Uh you you barely scrapped together a single notable name, but somehow Jensen Wong, Alex Carve, uh you got a ton of people here. Uh maybe walk me through uh you know who you're excited about.

Give me the give me a little bit of history and then I want to talk through some of uh what what message tech is trying to send to DC these days. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean the you history of Hill Valley it started off with like an intention of being like a 30 40 person dinner that like ballooned up into a 100 and like the first one I think had like 12 13 elected officials and then it just like kept gaining steam from there where just like the you know sort of dinner got bigger and then eventually the dinner was so big they were like man we got a lot of really great people here and we're doing a private dinner.

I think it like the public would be very interested in like you know some of these people and conversations happening you know in the public sphere too. we expanded like including like a you know more public daytime forum.

Um and then that just you know sort of gained momentum and this year it's like I just in some ways I can't imagine how much of a you better you know lineup one could have.

I think like the you know sort of main message just like look you know if we like go back in time to like 2018 you had everything from like Google bailing on the Maven project like VC saying that like you know investing in weapons was just as bad as investing in like porn and gambling.

And so there was just so much hesitation and there was like a real rift I feel like between Silicon Valley and you know you know you Washington DC that is kind of counterintuitive like if you look at the Obama era like part of why Obama 108 2012 was like a deep integration with Silicon Valley and tech and it was like the first social media you know sort of driven campaign but I felt like you know partially in Trump era there was just like this huge rift because like Silicon Valley was so left Trump was seen as so radical that like people didn't want to work together and so honestly a part of the message is like look we're all on the same team and we're working together to make the United States better.

And so one of my like favorite examples of this is I'm moderating a panel that's with uh Secretary of the Interior Doug Bergam. Um Kevin Wheel who's the chief product officer of OpenAI and then Ree Pat who's the chief investment officer and president of Alphabet.

Um and look like in theory Alphabet and OpenAI are like hugely competitive. On the flip side, like OpenAI has the best, you know, sort of consumer application in AI that's ever existed.

And Alphabet was just awarded a Nobel Prize last year for Alphafold, you know, predicting protein, you know, sort of folding and like the, you know, protein structures based off amino acid sequences.

And so the like goal of that panel to be like look like yes these companies are competing but also we're all way better off if these companies can build as many [ __ ] data centers and have as cheap of energy as possible so that like you know we don't have you know deepseek becoming the like default open source model that the rest of the world uses that can't afford the like you know you know chat GPT and can't afford you know sort of alpha fold and there's a lot of soft power that comes from that like do you want the thing that like the random person in Bulgaria is using as their AI to be willing to talk about Tman Square or not.

I prefer the version where it can talk about sort of Tinman Square and the best way that we do that is make sure that we are the best at AI have the best energy and the best way of doing that is like tech needs to collaborate with DC and Secretary Interior Bergam needs to unleash a wave of you know you know you know streamline permitting and you know you know nuclear energy you know in the United States and um what better place to talk about that than literally in the Capitol you know sort of hill visitor center.

Yeah. Do you do you know how the the pre the the Obama era collaboration between Silicon Valley and DC happened? Like was there an instantiation of Hillen Valley that was just like the old big tech companies talking to the Democratic administration in the same way? Because Hillen Valley is is bipartisan, right?

Like when I was there last year, I was hanging out with Chuck Schumer and stuff. So, like it's not like you guys are like explicitly conservative, although obviously there is like a push back against the the previous tone in Silicon Valley, but uh walk me through some of the the history there.

Yeah, I don't know like what the history was of the Obama campaign and how it got so social mediacentric. I remember they had this like was it like the CTO guy that was like an ex early Google guy or something?

I heard some crazy stat that that uh you so the the president like whenever the president goes to visit a uh an organization that's non-governmental it gets logged and the number one organization that Obama met with was Google during his eight years and it was and it was just a very very close tie I think and and I think that there was maybe maybe I'm thinking like the precursor to this is more like TED like you you know the TED talk era is kind of where like all the elites would come together and there would be some crossover.

Maybe that's not a perfect match, but uh but anyway, uh we we we can move on. Uh I want to hear the goal here was to like hopefully make it like sort of more immune from administration changes basically where it's like, you know, so yeah, Obama visited Google all the time.

Google basically like, you know, would ban Trump from ever going on campus. And so we started Hill and Valley under the Biden administration and we've tried to keep it as close as we can to bipartisan as possible throughout all the years.

Right now look, obviously right now Republicans are in control of, you know, sort of both Congress and Senate and presidency, etc.

They're obviously a little bit more represented this year, but the goal is like how do we make sure that that like channel of communication between the top technology leaders and elected officials stays there irrespective of who happens to be, you know, sort of in the White House at that current time because I don't think what you want is this thing where like the only time that Silicon Valley and, you know, DC talk to each other is when like DC happens to be crazy left-leaning because it happens to align with like a significant portion of Silicon Valley.

Not everybody.

I mean thankfully the tech right is willing to be a little more you know sort of vocal but look you know even in this last election when you know you had David Sax screaming from the rooftops about you know you know you know being willing to vote for Trump if you look at like you know donations Silicon Valley qu Silicon Valley was still like 85% you know Democrat you know by on a dollars basis and so yeah interesting dynamic where the dollars were telling a very different story than the timeline.

Yeah, I actually wrote a piece in Pirwires about that. Uh it was right before uh Andre went full MAGA, so it was a little bit like uh like I had the data all crunched and I was like, "Oh, it's actually like very purple, very split. " It was almost like 50/50.

Um but it was also like almost entirely driven by power law donors like between Peter and uh and Greylock uh Reed Hoffman. Yeah, Reed Hoffman. Like like those two were like at the biggest in terms of in terms of it wasn't for this cycle. It was like over the last four years or something like that.

Um, but then and Mark uh and Andrea was actually like perfectly 50-50 split. Like they were perfectly bipartisan because a lot of what they were donating to was like crypto stuff and then when they came to partisan stuff, they typically donated to both sides.

Anyway, um so walk me through uh some of what do you think Silicon Valley is asking for or pitching in DC these days? It feels like there's a bit of a narrative at least on X that uh oh, all these like tech people supported Trump.

They're the dog who caught the car and it's not going their way or they don't even know what to ask for or what they're asking for isn't getting done. Um what do what do you think the message will be to DC from tech next week?

Yeah, I'll go through honestly just like some of the panels that like you know I'm um you know moderating and like the message on each.

kind of gave you the like you know AI panel where it's like look there are a bunch of like you know sort of EPA and permitting restrictions that like are preventing us from setting up as energy and data centers that we need and like secretary Bergam is the person that like oversees some chunk of that not all of it he doesn't oversee the EPA but like that's the request there is like let's make some policy changes so that open AI and you know sort of Google are not restricted by regulations as like the primary you know um you know bottleneck uh to you know their growth of data centers and energy um you know I love my you Delta V portion on TVPN.

So, I'll talk about the, you know, sort of space side of things. Um, I'm gonna be moderating between Tim Hughes, who's the SVP of all, you know, sort of business basically at SpaceX.

Um, Representative George Whitesides, who's the former, you know, sort of Virgin, uh, CEO, uh, now turned, uh, you know, congressional representative, you know, sort of junior congressman. Um, and then, uh, Major General, uh, Bucky, who's head of all things space at the Defense Innovation Unit.

Um, so it's a little bit of both, you know, sort of civil plus, you know, sort of DoD.

Um I think there the request is like look there's some like pretty ambitious goals that you know sort of Trump has set forth basically you know wants boots on you know sort of Mars and moon wants to simulate low earth orbit you sort of economy wants more of the you know sort of academic community to engage in aerospace and I think the message there is like look NASA needs to lean on you commercial space for the things that it provides and you sort of stick to what it does best for like the you know sort of truly you know sort of out there things and so um you know Jared Isaacman you know made some comments in his congressional hearing around like SLS L is, you know, a big rocket and maybe gets us to the moon soon, but it's probably not the long-term solution.

And so, like that's a perfect example of like, you know, I think everybody in commercial space largely agrees with the fact that that, you know, the commercial industry has better, cheaper, you know, more effective rockets than, you know, anything that NASA is building inhouse at this point.

We should probably reallocate that budget to just those commercial companies or to other NASA priorities rather than spending a bunch, you know, sort of on SLS. So, that's a tactical thing. You know, I'm doing this fireside chat with Venode Kosla.

One of his big things is just like the integration of more and more AI, you know, basically into healthcare. We have this mutual portfolio company, you know, sort of stored health that has gone really deep in like, you know, $4 billion company.

Um, they provide like they're basically the largest physical therapy provider largely done vi like a, you know, chat screen. It's like they've got sensors that they put on you. It like gamifies it, etc.

How do you get more and more of like, you know, Medicaid and Medicare to yes, use humans when like you've got some super delicate operation, etc.

There's so much of like that care that's provided that at this point, you know, could be exported to a bunch of basically like commercial health companies that are largely, you know, integrated into AI and get more aggressive on that which satisfies honestly a bunch of the current administration's priorities as much of a node, you know, is not a huge fan of Trump.

um he is a fan of you know basically using you know sort of AI to you know improve healthcare and then that you know matches Trump's you know goals of improve government efficiency where you can cut out a bunch of the Medicare and Medicaid cost where it's like look we can all talk about like defense budgets and this and this entitlements are the vast majority of the federal government's budget and so you know if you want to go look at efficiencies you're going to have way more juice to squeeze like you know you know improving Medicare than like you know you can cut out all the DEI programs in the world and that's barely a blip relative to Medicare.

Yeah. How uh how much uh do you expect uh the conversation uh to veer towards Doge and then specifically uh Trump had promised earlier this month a trillion dollar defense budget uh which would be a 12% increase over this year?

Uh and uh yeah, do you expect that to be a major top talking point as part of some of these conversations or is that um you know just just businesses? Yeah. And and and also I mean we were talking about the defense budget earlier. It seemed like you were like lightly blackpilled on it for a little bit.

Uh have you updated your view? Um well I mean a part of why um yeah it's always fun with Hill and Valley where we can't decide on the date until Congress publishes it schedule because we are dependent on the elected officials you know sort of being there otherwise it's not a very interesting event.

Uh and so anyways a part of why it's next week is because Congress is in session you know basically next week and everybody's you know sort of flying into town on you know sort of Monday. Both whether you're Yensen Huang or you're you know Senator Banks both are flying in town on Monday.

Um and next week is when they're both, you know, sort of discussing the reconciliation bill where they're basically going to be, um, you know, uh, uh, increasing defense budget beyond the continuing resolution, uh, to match some of the, you know, February bills that we talked about, you know, sort of last time around when we chatted about this.

Um, as well as starting to talk about next year's basically, you know, sort of defense budget.

Um you know I think yeah there's you sort of clear signaling you sort of from the top that um there's going to be an increase and in particular around the president's top priorities which were nuclear weapons modernization um golden dome hypersonic boost glide vehicles uh you know sort of ship uh building um and then general reindustrialization and so um there's been talk of that reconciliation bill being 150 to 200 you know sort of billion which obviously gets you know so the total last year bill you know pretty close to that you know trillion dollar mark and then obviously um you sort of next year's budget you know sort of being at that trillion dollar Mark.

And so, um, yeah, there's a bunch of people that are literally on the House Appropriations and Senate, you know, House Armed Services Committee, um, and, you know, Senate, you know, Armed Services Committee, um, that will be there. Um, and I'm sure that they will be, you know, sort of the the talk of the town.

But it it's always interesting with this stuff where like um Hill and Valley we've heard from some of the elected officials is actually some of the one of the few times where um even the elected officials gather at that level of density cuz most of the time they're like you know even in these like you know uh uh um weeks where they're in session man it's like staff running around doing papers they might briefly all go to the floor together but they barely have a chance to talk on the floor.

Like we've actually heard that like some of the like bills end up getting negotiated like during the cocktail hour and like reception of Hill and Valley because it's just like one of the few times where it's like oh we like have the entire House Armed Services Committee here and we're not like in a like session where we're like grilling somebody.

We're actually like here and like casually chat for a while about like what we joke it's like if you you know if you can't put a deal on a napkin like it's probably too complicated in venture. It's like if you can't put a bill or a budget on a napkin like it's just too complicated.

So, we're just running the federal government on napkins and it's actually good, right? Yeah, it's great. It's funny like the last couple cocktail receptions, it's so funny where you're like, oh, it's like everybody's mingling, etc.

It's like literally all the tech dudes are sitting over there and then like all the elected officials are like scrambling like trying to figure out like, okay, you know, you know, what is our, you know, sort of stance, etc.

And then it's so funny because it's like it's bipartisan, but also like some of these people [ __ ] hate each other.

And so it's just last year like you know you got Chuck Schumer giving like the you know opening remarks but then you've got his like Republican counterparts like all like rolling their eyes and scoffing and everything and I'm like ah DC what a wonderful place. The swamp. The swamp. The swamp baby. That's funny.

Uh we're going to see you in a suit, right? you know, um, uh, I have finally, uh, been given approval by, uh, my, uh, government relations team that when I go do one-on-one briefings with congressmen, I can now wear a t-shirt with a blazer.

Uh, but at Hillen Valley, that is a time where if I'm on stage with a senator, I'm definitely wearing a [ __ ] suit and wearing matching shoes. What does it take to get a ticket to Hillen Valley these days?

Um, you know, I I I'm not I don't think it's a, you know, sort of perfect process, but, you know, between Jacob, Christian, and I, we do our best to, you know, securate a phenomenal, you sort of dinner list in daytime.

Um, I think with daytime last year, we weren't sure how many people to bring, and then like the, you know, audience wasn't always fully filled. And so this year, we maybe swung a little, you know, too hard, too soon, and I think now it's going to be a [ __ ] mob.

Um, so anyways, we're we're learning each year on how to, you know, sort of balance on what the proper process should be. But at this point we are very at capacity on both. But in future years you know just hit up you know delion tofounders. com jacobstate department. gov Christian137 ventures.

com and you know beg for forgiveness or beg for hope and we'll figure out whether or not we can get you in there. That's awesome.

uh what do you expect the dialogue to be around uh big tech is is you know such a charged word but at the same time in the sort of AI race uh you know if you ignore upstart labs even though they have billions of dollars they're still young companies which means big tech is like critical to national security uh do you expect there to be a conversation around um you know right now you're seeing Facebook uh sorry Meta just being sort of like dragged by the FTC system is collaborating.

Yeah, collaborating which is which is crazy.

Uh, a lot of that feels like rehashing an acquisition that was approved, you know, that went through over a decade ago uh feels like such a massive distraction uh at a time when we don't want our big we want our big technology companies, you know, focused on uh winning this very important race, right? Yes.

But they made such big enemies where it's just like both sides. Like look, Zuck is, you know, done his best to cozy up to, you know, to Trump, White House, etc.

, you know, he's wearing his chains, he's tan, he's, you know, looking again with Joe Rogan, but also like, you know, the Dems hate him because they feel like, you know, they lost the 2016 election because of him. And, you know, sort of Trump hates him because he feels like he lost the 2020 election because of him.

And so, you know, I don't think he made a lot of friends. And you know, I don't see any politician bing at like the FTC going and dredging that stuff up. And like, you know, even Kevin Cystrom has a, you know, sort of bone to pick with him.

And so I I definitely, you know, sort of buy into the like the sort of distraction, you know, sort of narrative. I also kind of buy into the like, yeah, I mean, like look, like, you know, um, you know, we maybe are in a like parallel to the Gilded era, you know, are we in the roaring 20s?

Are we in the like, you know, sort of depression 30s? you know, you know, you know, do these, you know, sort of uh what were they not oligarchs? What was the name that they used for like the gilded era? Robert Barren. Yeah. Yeah. The Barons. The Baron industry. The Robert Barons. Exactly.

So, like, you know, maybe there is a little bit of, you know, sort of Robert Baron mentality. Um, you know, right now with some of these big tech companies, um, man, I mean I mean, who's been advocating for monopolies? I mean, it's a crazy idea. I don't know. Crazy concept.

It's almost like someone wrote a book on it and then everyone was like, that's exactly what we should do. We don't believe in the M word over here at Founders Fund. We want to invest where there's lots of competition and it's really hard to gain market share. Exactly. Just power law outcomes for whatever reason.

Could be any. Um what uh what do you think about the uh the idea that RAMP uh should get a government contract, the government should run on RAMP. We were joking about it months ago. It seems to be getting more and more serious. Do you like the idea?

Um, you know, look, I think, uh, the current smart card system within the GSA, um, is a pretty antiquated and old school system. Um, you know, Trump and Doge want to root out a bunch of fraud.

Um, you know, you know, Ramp has seen, you know, even with some of the, you know, neopimes, traditional defense contractors, people that work with the government that even on like the commercial contractor side of things, they're able to root out things that are inefficiencies, etc.

Man, can you imagine what happens when they, you know, sort of get implemented within the government. So, you know, not a done deal or anything. A lot of work to be done there, but I think it's pretty damn good for the country if we manage to get them in there. And apologies on that note, boys.

I got to run, but great having a little mini Delta V, mini hill and valley. Yeah, I'm looking I'm looking forward to next week. It's going to be very great. See you guys in DC. See you soon. We'll see you there. See you soon. We'll talk soon. Bye. Let's go to an ad.

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Uh uh I'm interested to see uh next week at Hill Valley what issues are truly bipartisan, right? Energy uh production, right? Uh as uh societies uh produce more energy, prosperity tends to go up. You could imagine that being uh somewhat bipartisan.

Uh I was working on a I I was people have been saying, "Oh, John, are you going to run for president? " I was thinking about like if I did what my plat political platform would be because I want to be bipartisan and I was thinking my platform would be pretty simple.

It would just be GDP up, unemployment down, boom, GDP per capita up. That's right. Uh productivity up and uh government waste down. Hard to argue with any of this. Exactly. I feel like I feel like every American could be behind a platform or a presidential candidate who just said, "My goal is GDP maximization.

" That seems pretty simple. That seems like something everyone can value. Security, right access to the Jane Street. Speaking of Jane Street, uh the trading revenues nearly doubled in 2024 to more than 20 billion. Let's hear it for Jane Street.

Folks, I know a lot of you were worried that they weren't making enough money, but they're back. Pachy McCormack says, "Man, SPF would be so rich if he stayed at Jane Street. " Uh funny take. Uh very interesting. I'm always interested to see how these uh how these details look. The bowl all twisted up. Very very funny.

Whoa. Uh whoa. Yeah. What is going on there? Um but very fun. Uh on the flip side, uh the information is reporting that lots of tech companies have had their hiring plans impacted. Uh 19% in the survey said we cut staff. 33% said we plan to hire less. 30% said no impact, but we are evaluating the situation.

13% said, "Our hiring plans stay the same. " And 5% said, "We plan to hire more. " Now, I wonder how much of that is driven just by the fact that only 5% of venture-back companies are on the upswing because it's kind of a longot game and so they're not all scaling up.

Um, but it is interesting that, uh, people could be cutting staff for a variety of reasons. Could be tariff related, but it also could be AI related. Could be a bunch of or we plan to hire less. Could be. Or it could just be if you have the time to fill out an information survey, your business is struggling.

You be focusing on your business. Maybe I don't know. That's possible. Are the best companies really answering the survey? I don't know. I do think these I do think these types of uh anonymous uh surveys are very interesting. I would uh it would be great to see them more broken broken out, right?

There's a bit of game theory to it because like if if if I get this and I am hiring, I'm going to want to sigh out my competition into firing everyone. So, I'm going to respond with cutting staff. Then every then it becomes a meme. Everyone's like, "Oh, everyone's got to cut staff. Everyone fires everyone.

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