Nimit Maru on Sava: agentic trust administration company targeting the modernization of irrevocable trusts

that happens, we will return to our coverage of YC Demo Day 2025. Uh we have Sava, the AI powered trust company. Welcome to the show. How are you doing?

Well, what's going on?

Hey, I'm doing great. How are you?

We're fantastic. Please introduce yourself. Introduce the company. Tell us what you're building.

Great. Yeah, I'm uh I'm Nimit Maru. Um we're building Sava. We're building a new modern agentic trust company.

Okay.

Um that uh administers advanced trusts.

So is this specifically tr like will and trust?

Yeah. So it it's trust like will and trust. Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. Not not because people would say a trust company could be somebody that makes sure your your password doesn't get leaked or something. But uh this is

How old were you when you realized you wanted to use AI to spin up trust? [laughter] No, I'm just kidding. Uh, what uh what were you doing? What were you doing before this?

Uh, well, my my previous company was actually uh in John's um way batch uh summer 12 batch.

No way.

What company?

Yeah. And uh we we so at the time we were building Yelie, which was a um we like you know like the frontfacing camera had come out on the iPhone. So we wanted to build like a tele medicine but we pivoted to being a early uh code education uh and like tech education company and that's how we kind of built that. um and then sold it in uh like 10 years later.

If you if you hadn't pivoted, you could have been selling meth at scale like some of the other uh tele medicine [laughter] companies. But no, I'm glad you did. I'm glad you went the code. Very cool.

Did you say selling Did you say selling meth?

No, no, I'm just I'm just I'm just joking because there were some pills there were some kind of tele medicine companies that went a little bit too far and one of the founders is in jail now.

They're like check if the patient's breathing. If they are, give them matter all. [laughter]

That's that was going

um no uh more seriously talk about uh what's are these Nevada trusts? Like what's what's what's the uh what's happening at at the actual like entity layer?

Sure. Yeah. So we so we're not drafting the trusts. Um we we will uh basically like a uh an attorney or a uh like a fintech or legal tech that uses LLM to to draft trusts. So they would create the trust document

and then once they uh need someone to administer the trust to be an independent trustee um that's when we would take over. Uh we're getting our charter in Nevada. So we're going to be uh chartered in Nevada. Um you know maybe eventually we'll go to other states but that's where we're going to be right now. Um and yeah we work directly with attorneys, wealth managers, uh fintexs to serve as the trust administration there. So, so would you uh do you have like no consumerf facing brand essentially? It's like purely B2B at that point.

Well, I mean it is consumerf facing in the sense that the people who would be using it are also the families who uh have these trusts. But the reason I say we work with attorneys is cuz generally the families are taking advice from the attorney or the wealth manager about which trust company to choose because I mean you know like how how would a family know even what a what a trust company is or so? So, so we think of them as the ICP.

Sure. Sure.

Are trusts underrated?

Yeah. I think they're underrated and they're underutilized and also right now they're very annoying and expensive to create and manage.

And so I think people don't use the power of trusts enough. Um and that's not to say like you know every American or every person can be using them but definitely a big uh slab of people you know kind of um below where right now they are being utilized.

Yeah. Do you have a ballpark uh cost figure for you know uh doing a trust like at what at what scale does it start to make sense for customers to even participate in the market to even consider a trust? So I think creating a a a revocable trust that you know owns your house or other assets that's applicable at you know at at like reasonably um you know like almost any uh level for at at like when someone would own some property

just as soon as you make sense.

Yeah. But then using using something like Sava today, it's generally people who are trying to make um irrevocable trusts. And so they would tend to have you know like some some millions like you know maybe like low single digits but or maybe mid single digits millions in assets before they start utilizing that. Um I think that as as like tech makes it a like a lot um easier and cheaper to create trust in a good way and also um you know people like us can make it a lot more friendly and modern to administer trust like I think more people will be able to

um use them. [clears throat] Yeah,

it should just get way cheaper. I mean, if you think about just the YC story of how much it cost to set up a corporation and raise a seed round in 2005 or something, you were looking at like 20,000 maybe 50,000 in total like fees across everything. Now it's like Stripe Atlas, one click, they charge you what 200 bucks or something and then 500 bucks. 500 bucks and then and then the safe is like 1 second and you know administered by a bunch of folks and like it's like really really low low cost and that's obviously led to just more entrepreneurship. You imagine that something similar happens

when the infrastructure gets better like usage goes up and even the safe like I was talking to my co-ounder the other day like the safe is an incredible invention that makes this like early stage of fundraising you know so much smoother like back when we did it in the summer 12 batch it was like all convertible notes and you know even that a lot of investors wanted price rounds at this stage it's like a pretty

um difficult thing so yeah I think when the infrastructure gets better like more people utilize it and um like more people can take advantage.

Well, congratulations on the progress. Thanks so much for coming on the show.

Yeah, excited to check the product out

and we'll talk to you soon. Have a good rest of your day.

Thank you.

Cheers.

Goodbye.

Thank you, Pat.

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