Bryan Johnson on dunking at 49, near-death flying stories, and why endurance racing is an underrated elite sport

Speaker 2: put it up. Good to see you, Brian. Welcome to the show. What's happening? How you doing? Good to see you. What's happening? Good to see you. He's got a basketball hoop. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You gotta dunk. You're on a mission to consistently

Speaker 7: dunk? Well, first time in my life to dunk. Yeah. I've never dunked and like, you know, it's kind of the dream to dunk. Yeah. So I touched the rim last week after Yeah. See, five months of training.

Speaker 4: Are you sure? Are you... No training. Have you guys have you guys dunked? I'm six foot eight. I can dunk. That easily dunked. Yeah. It never it was never... I don't I didn't train at all for it. Yeah. I used to I used to do a lot of box jumps in the gym. I'd probably get back to that. Yeah. But even when I was training that and was like working my, you know, box jumps up and up, I think I would probably still generally slam the ball like into the rim. Yeah. Not quite quite achieve it. How how how like much can you... Do you think the average person could,

Speaker 2: with consistent training, actually increase their... You've seen the data over time. Like, the max vertical is going way up. Yeah. Yeah. What do you... I'm sure you've studied all this. Tell me... So yours, six a, what's your standing reach? So when you've turned up It's like not... I mean, I can touch the... I can def... I can't touch the rim, but I can touch the net pretty easily. I'm 91 inches. So Okay. To one twenty. So my vertical's gotta be at least 31 Yeah. To touch rim. Okay. And then probably 36 to dunk. Yeah. Medium and NBA is 35. Okay. So you have to be better than the average NBA player in terms of vertical. Wow. Yeah. But I I I think you'll notice no problem. Like, you're so dedicated to the craft. But I'm 50. Yeah.

Speaker 7: But I feel like... But... Oh, yeah. No problem, problem, dude. I'm really not. Yeah. So the probability of a 49 year old white guy who's never dunked before or played collegiate basketball is like, I don't know. It's very low in the odds. And so by the time you're you're 49, you have something like 45... 20 to 40% less fast switch muscle fiber. You just say you're atrophied. Yeah. So you have to like rebuild that whole thing. So I've been doing that. So I mean, think Crazy jobs are things that like the expectations are so high. Just like, yeah, of course, you're gonna do this like next week. Like, call me when the next challenge starts. Oh, man. But now you've... Yeah. You've actually honed in on stuff that is difficult and will be impressive. Yeah. I think I messed up this entire past five years because, you know, when you do it, like, it's this whole reconciliation moment when you say, like, you know, go to bed on time because sleep is good for blank or like Yeah. You know, eat well. People are like, I don't wanna go to bed. Yeah. I don't wanna eat well. But if you're like, but if you do these things, can dunk. Then it's like, I'm in. You know, I'll I'll play this game. Yeah. The don't die was like a little abstract. People put it off. It's '28 in the in the future, fifty years in the future. But dunking is today. That's the goal. Dunk at 49 and the people are like, I'll do that stuff. Do you know if dunking is something that like if you do it, you know, when you're young, it's something you can like maintain? Like not quite like something It's a pretty a good workout. That used to just be my cardio is I would just dunk back and forth on the basketball court, and I'd be sweating, and it was so ingenuity. Alright. We get it. We get But it's such an underappreciated physical ability. People focus on biceps and bench press and v o two max. But you know what? Explosiveness and dunking, I now have this whole new appreciation for how to be healthy. I will I will not give up on jumping ever again. Like, it's... Yeah. Because once you lose it, it's very hard to get back, but it just is so good for, like, bone density, for muscle, tendons, ligaments.

Speaker 2: Sleep, diet, and dunking. Yeah. Exercise.

Speaker 7: Yeah. Just dunk. Everything else falls into place. Where did this come from? Did you... Was this just on your list of challenges or something? Well, it's kind of like... I feel like I've mastered health and longevity. Like, you know, past five years, we've done all the things You did it. Yeah. We all did it. The evidence, like Yeah. I have, like It gets, like, really, really long tail. Like, you Totally. Just in these deep studies of fringe, like Exactly. If it changed the vitamin C. I

Speaker 4: felt like I I I went through this period of an... I think everybody deserves to go through a three to four year period where they are overly obsessed with their health, right? Like borderline obsessive, know, like turning down a bunch of stuff, learning, experimenting, being wrong, all these things. And then you basically do all this testing and you sort of acclimate and then you can actually get a little bit sloppier, right? You can fall off but you'll sort of level out to a health baseline that is much higher than where you started, right? Yeah, exactly. And having gone through that period, at one point I was like, I'm spending, it feels like 70 or 80% of my mental capacity daily just trying to be healthy. And I got to the point where I was like, that wasn't worth the trade off. Every day I get the benefits of having gone through that period And I think it's something that you... People... The right way to approach it for the average person is like go through that every... Cycle that every whatever, five years, So something like you're continuing to compound and then at different phases of your life, need different sort of practices and habits and things like that. Yeah. Well said. I got the next challenge for The

Speaker 2: day you dunk, job's not finished, you're onto the next one. Seven minute Nurburgring. Seven minute? Seven minute Nurburgring. What is that? The Nurberg Ring is a excruciatingly long racetrack in Germany. They call it the green Hell. It's extremely dangerous. It puts your your driving skills to the absolute limit. You can also drive it as like a commuter in in some in some ways, but they shut it down. This is where they test all the different sports cars. And they've done, you know, everything from track only f one cars essentially on the track to everything from, like, a new a new Porsche would get tested there. And the Model s Plaid has tested there. And you can you can you can get an advantage by picking a very good car Yeah. For it, something that's designed for the track, something that has really strong cornering, lots of downforce, but it still can go fast in the straights. But there's no excuse for being able to actually push it to the limit. And seven minutes is threshold where only a few cars can get there. So you need a very good car. You need to understand how that car works. And then you also have to be

Speaker 4: near pro level, I think, to put up a seven minute. What do what do you think? Is that a reasonable time? Or is that too aggressive of a of a... I don't know. But I but I do think I like where you're going with dunking because it goes into like just feats, like ability. Yes. Yes. It's a renaissance man. 100%. This is the renaissance man. And we we talk about this because like even renaissance man. Even like our That's Paul said. Our... The top guy, the top car guy in tech is obviously George Kurtz. Yes. Because not only could he buy any car he wanted, he competes at a professional level. Right? Like, he just won LMP two, the the sort of pro am prototype class. Yeah. You were at the race. And so I think that that's what, like, going and sort of mastering these sort of like fringe pursuits, like John has talked about, you know, being able to hit a target from a mile out with a with a with a rifle. Like, things like that that take physical abilities and it's so much harder to actually learn when you're 50 than if you started as a kid and it's just like, you know, supernatural. But

Speaker 2: but but, yeah, that's the next frontier. Yeah. We need an EGOT for tech. Yeah. You know, Hollywood has the Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, That's a great idea. For tech, we need the EGOT. I was thinking about going to space is a good one. Bezos has been, but not many other tech leaders have. The cover of Time Magazine is another big tech leader milestone. You could also put like selling a company above some threshold or something or being the richest man. There were a few others testifying in front of congress. That's like a rite of passage for tech for tech leaders.

Speaker 7: It really is. And Bezos has done that one too. And then buy a sports team, that's another one. Or maybe race. You know, give it a structure, give it a ranking. Yeah. Everyone's gonna follow suit. For sure, mean, this is the thing is, like, you know, people talk about AI with company, and and our culture is obsessively work. Like Yeah. You never stop working because it's a status game. You're looking at bank account and followers. But like, I think this is like a new renaissance era of these side quests. Yes. Side quests, man. At 49, can you dunk a basketball? At blank, can you win a professional race? Or be, you know, top and amateur? So I think it is... It's it's good for these social... For us to introduce this Yes. And create social pressures Yes. That if you don't have a dunking side quest, like, what's up, bro? Need a VHGN side quest. What's wrong? I saw I saw one influencer who sung the national anthem. That's a great side quest. A great side quest. So I was gonna... Actually, for the dunking, I was gonna do it at a Lakers game. Halftime polymarket. We we have Okay. Yeah. I've got a I've got a bit... I have like Good practice. Five more inches I need to lock down before we get... Because I don't wanna mess that one up. Yeah. I'm optimistic.

Speaker 4: I wanna talk about wound recovery. Because something as a 30 year old, I've noted... I used to get like, you know, let's say I go get... I'm surfing and I get a cut. Like, it used to be like something I didn't really care about at all because like three days later it's gone. I'm not... I don't think about it anymore and now I realize like whatever like the the time it takes for me to heal from like little cuts is like going up and... Even if put teeth tallow on it? Yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 4: You used a gallon of beef tallow and still Nothing. Filled nothing. I'm sorry. What is going on? It's no sense. Favorite bit is, like, the solution to every world problem is just beef

Speaker 2: It's like because the whole AI went really far into beef tallow. It was like, you gotta do beef tallow for No one's tried beef tallow for AI safety. Yeah. Yeah. It's like big fat Greek wedding with the guy. His Windex is his solution, the Greek. Oh, yeah. He uses Windex. Beef tallow is... Imagine beef tallow is good, but people were framing it as like, it will cure everything. Relationship in trouble? It went too much, too much. But wound recovery. Is that something It

Speaker 4: feels like an overall

Speaker 7: you know, vitality indicator. Yeah. It's gotta be like, it's probably a good biomarker. Like, we should probably... Oh, sure. I should probably initiate some cuts. Yeah. Can... Don't do that. No. No. But I think it's like... It sounds terrible. It's, you know, a little mild like a paper cut. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I have to imagine it's just... It's a pure representation of capacity. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I mean, this is the thing. Look at my body, we say, okay, you can go, like, punch... You know, you can you can lift iron in the gym. You can do weights, but, what does your body function by default? Mhmm. This is why I measure, for example, nighttime erections. You can do nothing about it. You go to sleep, it happens or it doesn't. Sure. So your body performs as a 50 year old or an 18 year old. Mhmm. And so I like those markers in that you have no... You can't do anything to change the outcome other than just exist. And so I think wound healing is probably that is Yeah. You can't optimize your way out of it. The body just does its thing. So probably it's a good biomarker. Yeah. Interesting. Weight training.

Speaker 4: I I feel like sometimes I go easy in the gym and that I'm not pushing myself to actually increase the amount that I'm lifting. Aggressive over. Well, no. Simply because I'm like, I'd rather be currently this strong than get injured. Right? Or or or, you know, I I don't feel like I should be pushing like my deadlift but you have been. Yeah. So talk about that trade off of what is the value of pushing yourself from doing 135

Speaker 7: or two twenty five or beyond that versus injury risk and how those things affect? Affect? I just did my... I had my first failure. I failed at a four thirty five hex bar. So my coach... I have an NBA coach. Yeah. He's great. He's been wonderful because he's never allowed me to fail. Okay. So I go into the lift with confidence. Whether it's, you know, front squat or or hex. And so this one, I blame. I had lotion on my hands that morning. Oh, so it slipped. I I... Yeah. I blame that, but still I didn't... I failed at it. I was... That's that's way better than failing and your back going out or something. Yeah. Exactly. Right? Like... But he's been very good at at form. And so he's Got it. Very careful. If I ever have the slightest thing in my body, it's a stop.

Speaker 2: So I do think, yeah, he he has at has at least done to be very careful with me where I never thought I'd be doing a hex bar for... A lot of it's psychological. Like, you you can... If you cheat on the form, you can add another 50 pounds every time. Yeah. And everyone will be like, wow, that guy has the big weight on, but then you're risking things and it's so much better. You're actually gonna build more muscle if you take the weight down, use the right form, progress.

Speaker 7: But you gotta you gotta be like, yeah, I'm the guy squatting one today. Gym last week. He was doing this, like, squat. I swore, like, 500 pounds. I thought his back was gonna break. I was gonna jump in like, bro. Yeah. I I It's not worth it. I respect you, but man, like, we all... Like, the three of us were there. We're like, this is bad. Mhmm. So, yeah, I agree. Like, it's... And there's so much pressure in the gym. Yeah. You have people that are looking at you, or for kinda like peacocking a little bit. Yeah. Everyone's sizing. Definitely don't wanna... Yeah. So there's lot of pressure for that. Yeah. You

Speaker 2: stay out of the sun. Yeah. You don't suntan. You also don't do spray tans because of the chemicals. That's right. Is that correct? What is your take on melanotan?

Speaker 7: Yeah. So, I mean, a few people have gone that I think they haven't come back. I think Wait. What? I think so. I mean, I don't Permanently tanned now? I'm not sure. John's like, sign me up. Sign me up. I'm not... Well I didn't know about that value prop. The color is not necessarily pre... Pre known. Right? Like, you do it and it, like, emerges.

Speaker 2: Oh, so it So it's not like pick this shade? Is that a shade or a hue? Because Both. Because it might turn out green or or purple. That might be worse than just being, you know, along the same line. If I understand this correctly, it's not like you put your finger on a chart of like, I want this color with this dose. It's just take me in the general direction. Yeah. I don't know what I'm getting at. Exactly. Got it. Okay. So you've stayed away from it. Yeah. How are you feeling about the other more experimental peptides? Is there anything that you're maybe sitting out but optimistic about? Oh, that one would be cool in the future if it can pass FDA, etcetera. I might take on peptides as it's a psychological phenomenon. People feel that they're powerless. They can't stop scrolling. They can't go to bed on time. They can't stop eating junk food. And so you have this little vial. You gotta... You have a needle. There's studies showing the psychological benefit of, I feel power by

Speaker 7: injecting myself and I feel... They... So peptides are more power. Same thing with supplements too. You know? Exactly. Like you're... Yes. It's less powerful because the injection is so much more visceral. Yeah. You're like, I did something real. I risked myself. Yeah. It must be working. So peptides are real. They obviously have, you know, benefits. But like, I think the enthusiasm far exceeds, like, with where the evidence is at Sure. Exceeds the potential benefit. Like, people be much better off getting a dose of growth hormone by going to bed on time. Sure. Right? Like, you get peptide dose by going to bed to get your surge in your in your deep sleep. So Yeah. Like, if you go to the peptides measure... We have actually a new technology we... We're using to measure peptides. Because if you do any, like, the, you know, the big peptides, you can't just do a blood draw and say, is it working? Right? There's nothing you can see in a standard blood panel to say yes or no. Yeah. You need look at the molecular profile. So we have a new test. We're looking... Doing that. So I think that might change the conversation of like, here's what we're seeing and Yeah. You may wanna think twice. Yeah. It's 01:40PM. You don't have to go to bed yet. Right? Yeah. You for checking.

Speaker 2: Space. Yeah. Would you go to space, or is there radiation? Is there anything that you're worried about from your health perspective? No. I don't have a desire. No. No. I don't... Just has never hit. I'm going for the tech ego. Yeah. Because I'm putting space in there. Are you? Is that your list? It's gotta be in It's... The the Blue Origin rocket, you go up to pass the Carmen line. It's it's available.

Speaker 7: It's something that Bezos pioneered. I wonder if you can do it in VR. I wonder if the same experience. I wonder if you'd have the same... Or what do you call it? Probably on the vomit comet if you go on the plane. Yes. I've done that. You've done that? Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, I think you get half check mark. Yeah. What

Speaker 2: about flying in airplanes?

Speaker 7: People have said, like, if you fly a lot, you get radiation when you're up in the up in the sky. Is that something you try and Definitely. Monitor or mitigate? Yeah. I started flying it actually a couple years ago. I got my license. Oh, really? I do fly myself around. Cool. And so you... The... What kind of plane? Phenom 300. Nice. Yeah. So I got typed in. I did a little Cessna one seventy two Yeah. Then I did a Bonanza Yeah. Prop. Then I did a Mustang, went to a jet Yeah. And then did a Phenom 300. And so, we... Did you go all the way through VFR, IFR? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I got typed in all the different planes. I've heard that IFR rated pilots are like way safer than VFR. Oh, man. Like Yeah. So much safer. Yeah. That's why I almost died twice. Woah. Okay. Yeah. Tell us about the first time. You almost died. I mean, these these stories are so dramatic. Okay. So the the first time, I flew my prop plane down to South by Southwest. Okay. I... And so I made a rule. I would never fly alone ever. So I knew the risk. I saw the data. I was like, this is this is terrible. Oh, because if you faint or something... Or just like amateur pilots are something like seven times more likely to get into a NASA. Sure. Because you jump into playing, but you don't remember everything very, you know Sure. You want a professional pilot to do it all day, every day. It's all they think about. So you would hire a a professional pilot to fly with you, basically? So I'm with you? Always in the cockpit. That's so cool. Professional pilot. Makes a lot of sense. So I've never ever flown alone Okay. Excluding my checkride. Okay. And so we're we're down at South by Southwest. We're coming back to... Was in The checkride, they make you fly by yourself?

Speaker 4: Yeah. You have to take a solo... You have to do a first solo, your first solo flight Uh-huh. Then your checkride, then afterwards. And that's for... Yeah. Because they they they assume everyone they assume everyone is gonna be... Most people will be flying themselves solo, so they have to, like Yeah. Validate.

Speaker 2: For certification, you did it. But then

Speaker 7: was South by Southwest a different story? So he's down there with me. And so we're coming back, and, in in aviation, you can look at the TAF. You can say, I'm going to arrive at this airport between noon and 2PM. What's the expected weather forecast? You look at the winds, and you say, okay. Can land on this runway. Mhmm. It's got this, you know, directionality. You're okay. They have fuel, etcetera. And so we were coming back, we were landing somewhere around noon, and he looked at the TAF mistakenly between, like, two and four. Oh. So we get in the plane. Everything's going well, and then we're, like, a 100 miles out, and we're at 14,000 feet. That's, like, close to the the top this plane before you have to get oxygen. And we get these insane tailwinds, like a 100 knots. We're like, what the hell? Like... So we're making an incredible time. Okay. Our ground speed's like 250, 300 knots. We're like, this is this is nuts. So then we started getting some weather ports. There's an actual tornado sweeping through the Midwest. Woah. And so I looked at him, and I'm like, why are we flying into a tornado? So he... Basically, he messed up looking at the wrong two hour block. Okay. And so after that, everything settled down, like, weather is just fine, but that... There's a tornado. So we were now going to our airport, and the winds are... We go into the land, and the winds are 35 knots gusting 45. Mhmm. Which in this plane, when you go to put it down, it's too much lift. Mhmm. So we we try to make our landing, and there's too much lift. We can't put the plane down. It's like dancing Oh, interesting. Trying to put it down, we can't put it down. Like, it's all also gusting. Yeah. So now we have, like, seventeen minutes of fuel left. So we call... We're like... We call air traffic control. We're like, we need an airport close by. They're like, well, the closest one's blank. And so we we find one that has basically a fire truck, and we're like, we're gonna go down. We're gonna flip. We're probably gonna start on fire, we so need someone to come out and... What do mean flip? It's like, we'll we'll probably won't be able be stationed. We'll probably, like, try to land and then flip the plane. So the wings will, like, knock off, like... We have to go down somehow. You will... You're crashing. You're planning a crashing. Yes. Okay. Because the wind is still so bad at this other airport that you're expecting that you'll flip. Because they came back, they're like, okay. Well, within a 200 mile radius, the conditions are blank. And it's just like, basically, like... All bad options. 45 knots, gusting 65, like Sure. Really, terrible winds for this little small plane. And then we have crosswinds on the plane because we can't find a runway directly into the the air. Yeah. And so we go in, and now I'm thinking, I've got three little kids. Yeah. And I'm like, why did I ever think flying was a good idea in a in a prop plane? So I'm like redoing my entire life. We come in. We're... But is this pre don't die? This is pre don't Okay.

Speaker 2: You were still like die.

Speaker 7: Yeah. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die someday. Someday. I better go down in flames. Ten years ago, I think? Yeah. So we come in and we cross the threshold and like we're fighting for our lives. We're both like absolute ghost white. We are... For sure, we think we're gonna die. Mhmm. We cross the threshold, and for somehow, the winds die down. Mhmm. Like, we don't know what happens. We come in, soft landing, scoot off the runway. We're both Wow. What? And so we get over. We we park the jet and then... The plane. And then right we jump out, the winds burst up. We almost fall over. We can't even stand. Wow. But like... And we we... Instead of going home that night, we just said, let's just get a hotel. And sleep. Yeah. We threw it. Tomorrow we'll fly back. But that was that was... That was the first time. That was the first time. Yeah. We'll the inventory. Yeah. We'll save... But flying commercial, flying lots of hours in the sky, up high. So we hang out Radiation max? Yes. What do think? So my my jet goes to 45,000 feet. It's rated for 45. Mhmm. We hang out about 36 to 38 Mhmm. Thereabouts. So you pay a little bit of a fuel cost by being down lower, but the... I think the trade off for radiation is worth it. Because once you get in... Because it does increase. I think it's... Drag. No. It's like a logarithmic increase. Okay. So when you look at the radiation dose increase, like, once you get higher... The high thirties into the forties Yeah. It's a pretty substantial increase in radiation exposure. Yeah. So we make that trade off, fly a bit lower, burn a little bit more fuel a bit. I'm wondering if any of jets have, like, radiation shielding as None of them do. No. No. As a value prop, you'd think some people would want that. Yeah. Is it too hard to put put in your manufacturing line? Sure. Yeah. It's... And then it might, like, kill the Wi Fi or something. Yeah. Exactly. Some stuff like People want the Starlink. Alright. As much as I like talking about planes Yes. Let's talk about Atlanta

Speaker 4: this weekend. Yes. You go way back with Toby and DHH. Yeah. Cool story. We can probably skip that and get right into racing. Yeah. It just hearing stories from them about what they're doing that made you wanna go out there? Because with other extreme endurance sports, running and cycling and all these things, it's like extremely apparent that these people are under stress, right? They're breathing heavily, you can see it, they're sweating, they're slowing down, they're doing all these things and racing, you know, it's almost invisible. Know, get out of the car and

Speaker 7: they're usually like so disappointed or so excited that the sort of tiredness is, like, not apparent even. That's right. It's, like, completely invisible. Yes. Yeah. So Toby and I were at a conference last weekend in Aspen together. Mhmm. And we were catching up, and he was telling me about his upcoming race. And we got into the rabbit hole. You... Have you seen the names where, like, the person on the phone and the dog's right by, they're like, have we got to go to the park? Are we gonna play ball? Oh, yeah. The dog's like, what? And it's... Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying all my favorite words. So Toby Toby was talking about the the biomarkers he was capturing and the car and the track. And then I was like, what? Yeah. This is so cool. So, we went down the rabbit hole, and he's like, if you wanna come hang out, like, just come hang out in the pit. And I was like, oh, man. In. That's awesome. So I made it a prod... Yeah. So like like you, I I never understood racing. You know? I never understood the fascination with it. The driving fast car is cool, but I didn't understand what the body goes through and what... They are they are unbelievable. They are elite athletes. Mhmm. Like, unreal. Yeah. So once we actually mapped out the the biomarkers, some things I didn't realize. So he's in a a cockpit, a 110 degrees. Mhmm. So already hot. His clothing won't allow him to breathe. He is... His heart rate is one forty two on average. Peaks at one seventy one. He's sustaining 700 pounds of g force as he makes these turns. His helmet's 70 pounds of g force as he makes these turns. There's no cooling in the cockpit. Yeah. He... His his respiration rate is equal to running an eight minute mile. It's like you're panting. This is all stationary. Yeah. Right? So it's hard to imagine. Like, I understand what it's like to sprint or do a really hard out, but, like, this is you by yourself Yeah. Experiencing almost like a triathlon. It's extremely

Speaker 4: claustrophobic.

Speaker 7: Extremely. Like,

Speaker 4: I've been in I've been in certain cars and you have to like fight the clusterfucking. Yeah. You do. Like, it's like you're sitting there and sometimes like... Yeah. When it... When it's hot and and then you get over it because you're like, cool. I get to go drive around this track. But for a second there, it's like... Wedging yourself in a bucket seat is...

Speaker 7: It's just so much different than any other car's. And then you've got a six point harness Yeah. That basically... They have to strap you so tight because you have to feel the car. Yeah. If you can't be one with the car Yeah. You can't catch all the tiny little tenths of a second. Yeah. And so once you stack up all these things, and then he does it for two and a half hours straight.

Speaker 4: I honestly... And that's just one shift. Yeah. I I really... I struggle

Speaker 7: to wrap my head around that ability. Like, in that extreme physical condition, psychological conditions,

Speaker 4: you have to be... There's zero laps of focus. You're fighting for tenths of a second. And do you think it's possible to stay focused for that long because your life is on the line? Because there's so much risk that you're sort of forced into flow state where you recognize you're going 150 miles an hour and if you do make a mistake, know, current, all the different safety mechanisms and the way the cars are built, they do protect you to a pretty crazy degree. Like, you'll see crashes that the car rolls over eight times and catches on fire and the person gets out and is walking. But it's still like no one wants to go through that kind of trauma and not just just personally and the the cost and losing the race and all these things. But but it feels like you're forcing yourself into this, like, fight or flight dynamic that allows you to, like, have a new level of focus. So when you look at his data... Toby's awesome because he captures all the data. So he... His DHH is like just like, I'm getting in the car. I'm putting my foot down. I'm not lifting up until I see the checkered flag or the god or whatever they're like. They have very different styles. Yeah.

Speaker 7: If you look at his nervous system, it goes to zero chill. Like, Toby, he gets in. It is instantaneous, a 100% adrenaline. Like Wow. Just full on. Even thirty minutes before the race, his body starts racing. So his heart rate went up to one twenty seven BPM Interesting. From from his baseline of, like, you know, around fifties or something. So he's able to, like, anticipate this day. And I I was in the trailer with him. Mhmm. And, like, I could see him go from, like, it's morning day prep to, like, I'm locked in. Mhmm. And so I think on your list, Toby, he... He's so softly spoken. Right? He's one of the most epic founders of our generation. Right? He's an incredible builder. He... Not only just in what he's built a company, but he leads and how he builds with AI. He's just an incredible human, and... But he's so soft spoken, no one even knows he drives, and let alone what he goes to when he drives. So I wanted to to tell his story. Like, this is a serious sport. He's an elite athlete. And so I I think people would... I think there... He's he's emulation worthy as a founder. People should be like, I want to do stuff like that too. Yeah. You're getting me fired up to go racing. That that was the goal. I mean, I think... And Toby's a good one. What about the... What like... How do you measure it from a...

Speaker 4: Like, what are the are the health impacts of... Because you can be an elite athlete and be destroying your body. You've seen this in people that do really hardcore running where they'll be 30 and they look like they're 40 because of the daily massive amounts of cortisol and stress. And so my hope, because I enjoy driving cars fast on a track, is that because the actual periods of ridiculous intensity and doing the two and a half hour stint is so rare that it's not like Yeah. Gonna age you... Accelerate aging. But it is so stressful

Speaker 7: that it can't be all good for you. I agree. Yeah. Like, things is probably a trade off. Like, one of the data points I was looking at is drivers are able to do with one breed... Brain region what a novice requires 15. So it does something with the brain, which is, almost like a a neural enhancement. And so, I don't know, on balance, you know, like, it may be the case that you're winning. Yeah. You may take some this and that. Like, the noise levels are extremely high. Yeah. Like, had... I had hearing aids on. Yeah. Last time you had the the the

Speaker 4: hearing aids on, and, yeah, I've been super conscious of sound since then. The issue is when you're in the car, you have your monitors in, and I'm sure maybe some of them have noise canceling elements, but you're still, like, getting... You're just right there with the engine. When he takes off, I mean, I think it was something like a 130 decibels.

Speaker 7: So even though I have...... Sitting right by the... In in the pit. Yeah. When I'm in the pit, when he takes off his run, I had hearing protection in which does 30% DB protection. Mhmm. Just over a 100. Exactly. So, like, I needed 20 more. So I needed to do this plus that. The cups. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, like, I needed, like, fifty, sixty of... But... So there's the... For sure some trade offs. I mean, I think if you if you look at the joy that Toby gets from this thing, it it lights him up, I think, probably more than anything in entire world. Like, when when he exits that car, it's like... Don't know. Maybe that's what Buddha looked like when he achieved a new role. He's like... He is so... Like, he's just omnipresent to reality. It's actually just an incredible sight. Yeah. I was excited to I've my

Speaker 4: experiences in... On the track is you'll you'll be in... I've I've gone from, you know, this intense, you know, flow state, which is incredible, and then I think about my email for one second and then I spin out. Or I'm off the track. It's really binary where you're in that because I haven't done actual racing, so it's really just been for fun and not at the kind of speeds that they're doing in like an IMSA race like this last weekend. And so it is possible to be like, oh yeah, should get back to that person. And then again, but the second you do that, you're going at such high speed and the other thing that is so remarkable to me is just the level of consistency across that two and a half hours where they could be trying as hard as they possibly can to go faster and gain a tenth of a second, right? Then, Sim racing too, did you have a post about that or did that tie into it? It was tying into that sort of studying these different brain regions, that made me think, do you think there's... There's been brain games in the app store that force you to activate different brain functions for a while now. I don't feel like any of them have caught on fire. Like for me, I'm very addicted to sim racing. And so I sent that post to my lovely wife about I'm looking at a lot of people like that. And she was like, I'm happy for you. You probably should still focus on the issue for me is it comes out of my sleep time because I have like, the kids go to bed and I'm like, okay, I can go racing now and then I'm sleeping less.

Speaker 7: But do you think there's more games to be built that force people to do these types of things? Is it something that you're spending any energy on? Yeah. I I think I think the world is absolutely sleeping on how fast the Don't Die revolution will happen. Like, I I think that once you... Once AI makes the first couple breakthroughs, we have our first anti aging drugs, people feel like there's a hope. There's a... I think the societal snap from, like, wanting to put all of our efforts into status seeking wealth accumulation to don't die. Yeah. So I think that I know. Yeah. I do. I think it is gonna be a snap change in society. Yeah. We'll just revalue... We'll change everything we do of value.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Were we talking about... To that about... What is going on? That's my... Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Do you wanna pop on? Yeah. Bring him on or or does he not... What what health benefits?

Speaker 4: Joy? Yeah.

Speaker 2: Well, Katara. Here we go. Hello.

Speaker 1: There we go. Hey, baby. That's amazing. I've been away from for ten days. How are doing, baby? No way. Hey. Oh, so cute.

Speaker 4: Yeah. Amazing. Woah. What a smile. That's about a smile. So happy, baby. Oh. Happy boy. Our show. That's our show. Can we can close it out. You for tuning in to ATVPN.

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Speaker 4: It's well trained. Goodbye.